Outrage over Mohammed movie

Could you clarify your last sentance? Because the reaction has been violence so you either agree with it or not... if it was just a few peaceful protests then yes you switch your attention to the film and it's creator and say, Look at what's happened your wee film has had no effect and islam is not filled with violence and hatred. Unfortunatly certain parts of the film have been proved spot on by the people who are offended by it.

You need to stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.

 

I'll try and make it as simple as I can. I don't believe in violence in response to any matter. I don't think it achieves anything. I do understand people though, and I realise that reactions will be forthcoming when certain things happen.

When someone distributes a film depicting a deity in someones mind, as a paedophile, I expect the people who follow that religion to react, some more than others. I expect an element of violence amongst that reaction.

When a palestinian rocket kills an Israeli citizen, I expect a reaction from Israel killing 20 or more Palestinians.

When a plane is smashed into a building in America killing thousands, I expect a war involving the invasion of another country.

I don't condone the violence, but I expect it, and on occasions I understand it. I'm not justifying the unjustifiable, as you put it, I am justifying the reaction by saying that it is exactly the reaction the film was designed to achieve.

Islamaphobia is a massive danger in this day and age. There are important powers in this world * bent on creating a climate of fear and intolerance, demonising this particular religion in the same way that the Jews were being demonised 100 years ago. If you can't see that this film is being released in order to create this mayhem, then you are being naive.

 

There was no error in what the guy made. It was precisely his intention to create the hostility the film has produced.

 

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

Yes you can expect violence in all of these situations but, You shouldn't then attribute that same logic to some small time movie ( Offensive or not) He made that video and you are %100 Right he made it to provoke them. In doing so he has also managed to prove himself right.


These people who are rioting have brains like any other human being on the earth. They are not some kind of zombie like creatures who have one way of thinking like Offended and un-offended. If their natural reaction is too take to the streets and start attacking people, cars, buildings, looting etc.. then I have no sympathy at all for them if they then start to feel victimised..

I know it's not every single islamic out there, But I think it's about time islam self policed a bit more.. Dragged itself from the dark ages and sorted itself out. Until they do that who can blame people for tarring them all with the same brush.

 

Firstly, it's muslim, not islamic, and secondly, you are taking the actions of a few hundreds or thousands of muslims as the norm, from a population of around 1.6 BILLION worldwide. You then go on to ask "who can blame people for tarring them all with the same brush?".

It is only small minded bigots that tar an entire population or race, for the actions of a tiny minority. You are the victim of the small mindedness that certain goverments, and people like the maker of this film, want to engender. You are being manipulated into the very thoughts that you are expressing in this thread. By your own words, you know you are being islamaphobic, yet you still write them anyway. Have you asked yourself the question, WHY?

 

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81549.html

 

some interesting thoughts....

I live in Egypt and can honestly say most Egyptians I know realise that the maker of the movie is a nut job and to take it with a pinch of salt. Outside the US embassy the other day was about 1000/1500 people protesting, in a city of around 18/20 million, a very very small percentage indeed!

My wife is American and she has had not hassle what so ever, well except when she shows a bit of leg haha!!

The vast majority of the Muslim population here are law abiding citizens who are just trying to make a living and get by. Once again the minority spoil it for the masses. I know from a good friend that a high percentage of the protesters haven't seen the film and are just protesting because their local Imam has told them to!!

The storm in a tea cup has passed here anyway, I hope!! Not sure about other countries but that is how it is here on the ground in Egypt.....

great debate though bhoys

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785

That place is just getting worse and worse, going to be complete civil war there no doubht about it.
Yet again the Yanks and Brits went in there without thinking of the longer picture, gaddafi was keepin the al-quaeda/exteremists under control now they have pretty much a free hand to do what they want.

 

Come off it Che, you know exactly what he means.

Would you be so quick to sympathise with the actions of a non-Muslim group who carried out violence in defence of their beliefs?

I made this point earlier, but I'll do so again.

Suppose a group of Neo-Nazis determined that they would no longer tolerate negative portrayals of Hitler and would seek violent retribution against anyone doing so. Would you really expect every WWII film maker or historian to toe the line and, if they didn't and were subsequently attacked, state that they knew what they were letting themselves in for? I don't think so.

Most Muslims have a reverential opinion of Muhammed. The film maker in this case doesn't. Muslims express this through worship and adherence to the tenets of the Islamic faith. The film maker expresses this through film.

It's not my place, nor is it yours or anyone else's, to arbitrate which opinion is acceptable and which lawful means of expressing this legitimate. If one person has the right, everyone has the right.

So let's stop making pathetic excuses for people who murder indiscriminately and blame it on hurt feelings.

 

As I said earlier, the underlying issue is surely education not religion. These people may have brains but they have no real education. They have no worldly knowledge, no free access to other thoughts and opinions, and no opportunity to travel the world and see other cultures and countries. Likewise they havent had the influx of differing nationalities and faiths that we have had into their own country. This to me is far more of an issue than their given religion.

Only a few months ago there was a case of the Nigerian police (christians) arresting a goat who they believed was a robber who turned used black magic to turn into a goat! Silly of course to us, but the point is that these guys have no education to teach them otherwise.

These riots are of course backwards and wrong, but we also have a responsibility to not just take the * out of people who do not know any better. Condeming this video is in no way excusing the riots. But until these nations have the same access to education and information as we do, it is wrong to attached their behaviour to any one faith. It is an issue of education.

 

It is threads like these that make me realise that Celtic fans are as diverse in their humanity, reasonableness, intelligence, morality as any other group.

Freedom of speech trumps all. The right of someone to not be offended doesn't exist. If you are offended by speech, you have no right whatsoever to retaliate vicariously and arbitrarily by murdering someone affiliated to that person through nationality/race/religion.

If someone murders someone for saying something they didn't like, you dont excuse the actions of the murderer. All you who did that in this thread are * up people.

 

That's a good point.

As I said they're still in the dark ages to an extent. I can't see any reasonable way they're going to come out of that though as they're so set in their way's I just don't see any way they'll change the way they think...

 

the problem mate is that most of the Muslim population supports these protests are thinks that while they are unfortunate that the ultimate blame lies with the filmmaker, that is wrong. The only people to blame are those who chose to go into the streets, those who chose to resort to violence, the filmmaker is an * but even * have freedom of speech, and freedom of speech is more important than the muslim worlds sensibilities.

 

did you actually read the story, it makes quite clear that the militia were a small minority and the protesters who drove them out were normal people from benghazi who were angry over the attack

 

Don't tell me what I do or don't know. The post I referred to was some mad form of gibberish relating in some way to Santa Claus, Snow White and a parking space. I have read it several times and don't have a * clue what the guy is saying.

As for your own ramblings about neo-*'s, I'm sorry to say, your analogy is utter mince and bears no semblance to real life. Belief in a political ideology has no significance in comparison to religious beliefs. You say that it's not yours or anyone else's place to arbitrate which opinion is acceptable, yet you seem to think you can tell me that mine is unacceptable? Ironic!

 

No they don't. Most of the muslim population deplores these protests as is shown by the Libyan uprising against the minority group responsible in that country.

Towardinho's quote is the most poignant I've heard yet.
"I live in Egypt and can honestly say most Egyptians I know realise that the maker of the movie is a nut job and to take it with a pinch of salt. Outside the US embassy the other day was about 1000/1500 people protesting, in a city of around 18/20 million, a very very small percentage indeed!"

 

Agree with this, when I first saw his original comment I straight away thought that it was not only not true, but out of order and border line racist.