Reformation of the catholic church?

what am meaning is that how can a man who is elected by other men, decide what it true about our faith? if he uses his 'infallibility', whatever he says is supposed to be true, how can that be so?

 

I think the answer you'll get is "guided by the Holy Spirit to make the correct decisions."

 

ok good christian answer

some of the Roman Catholic rules seem really strange to me, especially the contraception one, and the female priesthood. others such as abortion same * marriage and euthanasia, i agree with. however, who is one human being to tell us what to do? Jesus is the true head of the Church and no one else.
anyway, all leaders from the church will say it is the holy spirit that is guiding them.

 

the Anglican point of view which objects to papal infallibility. from the 39 Articles of Religion:

XIX. Of the Church. The visible Church of Christ is a congregation of faithful men, in which the pure Word of * is preached, and the Sacraments be duly ministered according to Christ's ordinance, in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same. As the Church of Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch, have erred, so also the Church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living and manner of Ceremonies, but also in matters of Faith.

 

and from the westminster confession, which the church of scotland uses (except this part, which they have edited out for ecumenical relations)

(Chapter Twenty-Five) VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called *.

 

Lunatic popes like the Borgias show that the dogma cant be true.

 

There you are then. I think that a lot of Catholics have been "selective" on some matters, notably contraception and would welcome both women and married priests.

 

was the pope guided by the Holy Spirit when he was declaring crusades, and other wars

 

Papal infallibility only was declared in 1870.

 

in which there was a huge exodus of bishops who did not agree to it.

 

so how come the pope can make the mistake, and then suddenly in 1870 he can't?

 

* knows. i don't agree with the dogma at all. it seems really strange to me.

 

Im not a catholic i suppose if you think about it im a prod

 

Yes its a crazy idea. I dont think many believe in papal infalibility in Europe these days. In fact the idea hurts the church's credibility. Its all about power and control-mainly in the places like Latin America, Africa etc.

 

Do I detect a hint of cynasism?

 

true. all other churches completely disagree with it as i have shown above with the westminster confession and the anglican articles of religion. it seems to me to be a power strenthening dogma to force Catholics to folllow him.

 

I agree. My point is that all churches, especialy catolic, which is old 2000 years, have a primary goal to make themselves powerful, and to do that they have to change. They have a very little with real faith, and Jesus

 

at the end of the every government, organisation and even religion is looking for more power. Every religion has it's mistakes and errors, but have to say I don't think the catholic church did much wrong the past few years. Islam (Jihad) vs Israel plus the US and UK supporting israel, without the intention to start a fight, but I can't see any catholic leaders on the warpath unlike bush and blair.


Like jesus said in Johannes 8, 7.... “Whoever among you is guiltless may be the first to throw a stone at her.”