Ki: Sell or Keep ?

jeez i hope the guy is ok, i like him a lot, great footballer.

 

I'd keep him. People are going overboard after scraping a win against a pish Motherwell.

In the past two games we've been better defensively and it's down to the old Kayal and the emergence of Wanyama but there's been a clear lack of creativity.

 

I've always thought he was a little bit over rated so if the right money came in for him i'd certainly consider selling. I think anywhere around £5/6 million and i'd let him go.

 

if we get an offer for him it's quite simple and logical that we should sell him.

We have Wanyama, Kayal, Ledley and Brown in his position.

Ki is a talented footballer on the ball but hides when the chips are down and wouldn't be much of a miss with the depth we have in midfield.

Get an offer in January of around 5/6million (?) and use it to strengthen other positons. (GK/Defence)

 

I think if you translated and posted Ki's feelings it might change some peoples opinion of him. What he says in Korea would be from the heart and not said to curry favour with the fans.

 

Keep

 

This is very much correct. The lack of technique & quality passing (forward, sideways and back) in our midfield is blindingly obvious without Ki.

 

Ki-p

Sorry

 

Ki can be very useful for us, keep him.

 

I voted keep because he has scored some very important goals for us this season.

In good form he is a massive player for us and I think he is still learning, people forget he is very young still.

However if a HUGE offer came in then I would be okay with him going because we could buy another good player in with the money.

 

Spot on imo! no doubt in my mind we missed something even though we won both recent games , more solid defence, fight in midfield yes! but i dont get how so many miss what ki does ( at least lennon dont) but i feel only because the same person keeps bringing these threads up it gets fans thinking along those these lines, no way so far this season it should be ki getting this treatment.

Give it a rest for a while DOC!

 

None of which are creative in the slightest.

For a club of our size and stature in Scotland to have to completely do away with any flair players in order to win matches is a * disgrace.

 

Yeah you're right mate, Forrest, Paddy and the strikers have no flair or goals do they....

Ki is good but not the best player, or the best midfielder, we have at the moment and if any offer of more than a couple mill comes in he will be off and rightly so because we need the money if we are ever to challenge again, especially as we won't be getting European money in for a while.

 

Paddy plays about 8 games a season mate

Stokes has flair. Bangura, Hooper and Samaras don't.

I stand mistaken... I think

 

I like Ki, but I'd sell. Anything over 8 million and that'll do me.

 

I'd sell him if the money was good enough too but I wouldn't just sell him for the sake of it so we can have a midfield of Wanyama, Brown, Ledley and Kayal. That's so uninspiring. 3 of them are top class, but not in the right area's.

Looking at McGeouch tonight is exactly what we need in the middle.

 

why do people feel the need to weigh our team down with hammerthrowers like rangers do

kis the only midfielder with any skill/creativity

yeah your right sell ki and bring in someone like lee mcculloch or that ilk eh

 

Do people really think Ki is the only one with skill in this team, just because he does a backheel every now and again? For every good piece of trickery or vision he comes out with, there's an other occasion where he gets robbed in possession or bullied off the ball.

As I said in this thread before, Ki is like a smaller, worse version of Kayal in my opinion.
Beram has good touch and passing and the vision and creativity to play good through balls up to the wingers and forwards (he's not done that much this season as he's being playing much deeper to try sort out our disgrace of a defence) BUT he also doesn't get bullied off the ball so imo he has the fine balance between skill and physicality, which is obviously where rangers are better than us because we undoubtedly have a better team than them (just as we did last season) but they battered us into submission as all our bhoys are too soft/young/small.

I'm all for having greatly skilled players at Parkhead but you have to be realistic and acknowledge we play in the SPL not La Liga or Premiership, skill doesn't win you the league. So although I don't want to sound too much like a hun, who knows, maybe if we had more Naismiths and Whittakers and less Paddy's we WOULD win the league...?

My midfield when everyone's fit would be:

Commons Wanyama Forrest
Kayal

and that is based on THIS SEASON'S FORM, because I don't care if Ki scored a screamer last season (many of which I saw in person) or did something good ages ago because this year he has not been on it, and Kayal has only got back to what looks like his best this past week, so i'm going on current form because trading on past glories is irellevant and pointless, or else we'd still have Di Canio and Henke up front!

Victor67 protecting the defence and Beram further forward to be the creator in the midfield. If that doesn't work then Ki, Broony, Ledley can all fill in. Same with Commons, if he doesn't get back to his 2010 form where he lit up 2 divisions, then put Sammy, Paddy or Ledley on the left.
We have so much strength in depth in the midfield which I think has been getting sacrificed because of Lenny's need to try and tighten up the defence, which has meant in the last few games both CMs have basically been very deep DMs, just infront of the back 4, which leaves the strikers and Forrest up front miles away, so our only choice has been long balls - which although Sammy has been winning well recently - are not our strong point as imo we are better on the floor.

 

Thank you, and I totally agree with you, too.

(And this might be little off the topic but, although I think it's the way of players are growing to be criticised, I think the players are really great persons inside, Because they have to go through so many criticism including very insulting remarks sometimes, from all the people they actually do not even know. Just because they chose to be a football player as their jobs. If I were them, I would definitely get hurt.)

People always want the players to show their heart, but in my opinion, some people just never show any hearts to their player, just focusing on insulting the players whom they just do not like, and it's quite unfair.

So, I do agree with you.

And so glad to be able to see a post like yours, thank you.

I also want to translate his writings because I sometimes used to wish the Local fans should have heard what he is saying about Celtic, and their fans. But I'm afraid that I can't translate his writings perfectly in English, and I might make mistake and wrong translation is one of I really want to avoid, so, I wouldn't try it for the time being. But if I could improve my English more, or if I could get someone's help, then I could show you his writings, of course. And all I can say now is, he is really doing his best with his whole heart, has been trying his very hardest, that was much more than I had imagined. He does cherish his team, his teammates and his fans. And as a young person, he feels much anxiety, too, worrying a lot what if he could not doing well here, hurting from time to time when he feels his performance wasn't good, but trying to overcome all the negative thoughts, and cheer to himself, wishing to satisfy the people who support him,. He does cherish the people around him. He feels sorry to his teammates when he can't play together on field.
And I think he has a open mind to fans critisim. For example, When he played for FC Seoul, after losing one game, one fan sent to him a message, exploding with anger like "WT* are you all doing, I didn't expect that B***S***, I want my money back! bla bla...." Then, he answered him politely, saying that he is so sorry, he tried to do his best and wanted to win so desperately, but couldn't satisfy you, so I'm sorry, but next time we'll try more. It was quite a refreshing jolt, becuase he could have just ignored the fans anger. So, if he feels the fans criticism is based on the love for football and the team, and as long as the fans are serious , then he is just accept all the criticisim even if it is too harsh.(Of course I believe he just ignores the pointless insulting words. although he gets hurt by malicious words but I believe He is smart enough to tell the criticism from just malicious comments.)
And he loves commucicating with fans, he said he loves to say hello to fans because fans are always wishing to hear from him. he once even gave a serious counsel to a young fan who was in serious stress for private situation. He said afterwards, he even couldn't get sleep for worrying that fan. Basically, he is the type of player who never wants to let down his fans, all the time. And also, he values his life too, And like I said before, he has to do Military service for about 2 years before 30 yrs old, so he does cherish every moment he could play on field.

Well, I might be embarrased with the difference of culture, because in Korea, we have many foreign players, too, but if the foreign players show love and affection to the team, we also try to show our love to the foreign players, I think we are much strict to our hometowner players. Because even if the foreign players show some dissapointing performances, as far as I know, we mostly do not complain like "we need our hometown bloods". We do not doubt their hearts. And we often say to our players " Take good care of your foreign teammates, they must be suffering many hardships." ( I hope nobody get me wrong, I'm not going to say which one is good or bad, I'm not going to say that my country is this good, etc etc. (Because we in Korea even have so many keyboard warriors, who are really annoying.) )
It's just..I've felt the fans here are more strict. And some complains here are what I've never experienced in my country, So, that might be one of the reasons that I was embarrased with some harsh words here.

Plus, as I knew Ki has been quite sick recently, I felt upset more, when I found some insulting remarks about him. I personally wished it would be good if fans show some cares for him when he is in hard conditions.



And if it's okay for me to add something, I actually understand the feeling of some one(Korean) who left here the other day, being upset with the criticism about Ki. Some people might think Korean people are just Ki fans, not Celtic fans, but we surely love the team, too. It's impossoble to think/love seperately team from its player, at least, for me and the people I know. So, please do not worry, we love Celtics, the team, too. But surely yes, we do cherish Ki, one of our favortie/important players. And Although I do not agree for the way of his leaving here(I hope this is not rude to him But I'm sure when he said he is finished with Celtic, he must have been just upset with some harsh words, so he must have reacted like that, actually he must be still a Celtic fan, I think.) I can surely understand why he felt upset, which, I'm afraid, could never be undesrtandable for some people here, though. IMO, he was upset because he felt some unfair/insulting words towards Ki. That is all. Like I said before, I think many Koreans tend to even consider our players playing abroad as our own family member whom we have to send off, for achieving dreams. So, we always cherish and worry about them especially Ki is living here alone, so....(Well, But I'm not sure if people here could understand this feelings. It might be one of our national character, I'm not sure.) I'm adding this because I saw some synical posts about that happening. I do not try to beg any understanding, just try to explain it(the difference of feelings), because I could really understand the feeling, as a Korean.

 

He can be an excellent player on his day though to me he does seem the type who only really plays well when he's winning though he has improved his goal scoring which has been welcome; not to mention he's probably the only player who can actually take a decent penalty!

I'd hold on to him for now though if we got a good offer for him he'll be off