Happy with mediocrity??

Right, I am going to jump up on my soapbox here for a minute...

I have been speaking to a lot of Celtic fans online and elsewhere and its now come to my attention that we, as fans seem happy with mediocrity.

Which is, in my opinion as a Celtic fan dissapointing. Granted I don't spend thousands of pounds on season tickets and merchandise but as a fan I know how I feel about the club, and it literally makes my heart sore to see what we have become and how the majority of fans are now accepting this!

Now to point out, this is not a thread against Lennon, Lawell or the players. Its mearly a point of view looking for opinions.

Examples of my concerns are as follows. If you look around this forum, others and the media you will notice that coming back from 2 almost certain defeats and saying, well we got a point! and being happy with it is not what Celtic is about.

Just because our financials and playing levels have dropped our club history and heritige has not and neither has my believe in the club.

Point number 1 - Drawing with a weakened Rennes team (Midlevel friend team at best) I am sorry but we, as Celtic should have walked that game and as fans we should expect that. It is not unrealistic to think one of the biggest clubs in the world historically should beat a club like Rennes, but no! We are happy with scraping a draw, that basically we were lucky to get due to our own * play.

Point number 2 - Celtics league performance. We are stronger than Rangers, we have more money than Rangers, a better team, bigger support and generally better reputation yet we sit behind a club in that state by 10 * points. It makes me sick and sad that we are as the people who this club was made for accepting this. Have you seen what european fans do when they are not happy? The demand a change... What do we do? We change our belief and attitude. It is shocking that some people still think we can continue like this, giving people chances. No one is bigger than Celtic and that is were our priorities as fans should lay, not with Mr Lennon, Lawwell or whoever. With the club we have literally shed tears or joy and dissapointment for.

Finally point number 3 - The players. We know we have some cracking talent in there and at the end of the day I always see some of them coming under so much fire for not performing in 1 or 2 games. We as fans should get behind those guys good days or bad and know that confidence is what makes a player play his best. I am not saying players read our forum and thank * they don't but how do we ever expect players to pick up their spirits when we put them down at the first sign of a * performance? Ever had a bad day at work? Yeah thought so, so do they.

I am not having a go, I just want us all to pull in the same direction and support the Club before anything else. Understanding for its staff is one thing but at the end of the day we all love the bhoys in Green and White and as fans, we deserve better.

If enough fans make the right kind of noise, can we make a difference. Don't accept mediocrity

Off the old soap box now, let the pelters rain in!:icon_mrgreen:

 

Really ur first point isnt justifying enough we arent happy with drawing with rennes but if they can have a striker worth 25m and we can only pay 2 because we are in such a financial stricken budget because the league we are in how can we compete,thats like a formula one car against a renault clio !

 

Huh? Who? they spent a combined 8 million pounds on players in the summer, and less the previous season.

If your talking about M'Vila he is not a striker and he is worth an apparent 20 million euros. Again, there was talk of Ki leaving us for not much less. Until he leaves for that price and proves it on a world scale, he is unproven.

 

We were good last night. We made a critical mistake that cost us 3 points yes. But the 89 minutes either side of that we were good.

 

It was been years since we played half decent abroad so after the bad start to the league it is a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

 

We are happy with improvement not mediocrity. Getting anything away from home even in the MON or Strachen era is a bonus.

 

Sad that teams see us as a diddy team now and rest their best players. It wasn't that long ago that a trip to CP would have the best teams in the world bricking it.

I'm obviously not happy this once massive force in Europe is now there to make up the numbers but that's the level Scottish football is at at the moment and it doesn't look like improving in the near future.

 

I'm Just happy supporting Celtic. We will bounce back don't worry

 

Wish people would stop living in the past. We are no longer champions, no loinger capable of playing in the champions league. End of. We have no real money to spend on players capable of doing so.
Right now, yes we are having a * poor start, and I don't know what Celtic fans you've been speaking to but any tim i've spoken to are livid, proper gutted because of the way we have declined in the space of 3-4 months and that's the problem.
I have not spoken to one single Celtic fan who is settling. It's more of being realistic and accepting.
Last season teh majority of us were looking forward to this season, on the way up after a relatively successful season. It's just a shame that already in this season we've made all the mistakes, and some, that we made last season in total.

 

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point number 2, takes the biscuit we are not stronger than the huns,we have been chasing them for three and half years now,we are not better than them,do we really have more money than them? i dont thinkso some of our players do not show the calibre of being football players

people need to get this nonsence out there nappers

 

very well put together post OP !!! & your bang on.. though thankfully it only seems to be online i see people still thinking lennon is the man.. the fellows fans i speak to in person all seem to know his time has passed... the thing im worried about now is lennys team now goes on a few wins in a row against pish SPL teams & folk here start hailing him as the messiah again...because when it comes to the REAL crunch Lennon has shown time & time again that he just hasnt got it!

 

I, for one, am tired of the argument "we're Celtic, we should be winning every game... because we're Celtic... the fact that we've managed to steer a steady financial ship in a league that's fallen down around us doesn't matter... the fact that we came three goals from the treble last year after rebuilding our team with a rookie manager who spent the entire year receiving death threats doesn't matter.... we're Celtic and we should be winning the Champion's League while playing brilliant football.... because we're Celtic... did I mention we're Celtic?"
Here's the reality; our history does not change the fact that we're in a * league with no spending power. I think the blindness of the arguments being made here is shown clearly when the opening poster clarifies that Rennes only spent a combined 8 million pounds in the summer and that they ONLY spent 20 million EUROS on M'Villa and he's a defensive midfielder so that doesn't count. When have we EVER spent that much money on a player?
History does not change the present. Yes, we're under-performing against Rangers and in the league. Yes, the quality of players we have isn't what we all would want deep down. Yes, Neil Lennon isn't Jose Mourinho. The question you should be asking yourself is with the reality that we have next to no * money, how do we change those facts? Who is the manager that's going to turn us around? The fact is, no one has that answer but pointing to our glorious past and saying the present isn't good enough is not productive.

 

We, as a Scottish club, will face a constant battle with 'mediocrity' for as long as Sky has the EPL by the baws.

 

We havent spent money on out team for three years. Our team is made up of cheapies and loan deals (including the two who messed up for the goal). For a team who has a net spend of zero over three years, I cannot believe people expect us to be beating teams who spend tens of millions?

I am not saying the lack of spending is right. It isnt. But until we start to spend a bit on players, we need to get used to losing to teams who can spend £5-10m on players.

 

Net spend is one thing. Gross spend is over £21m from summer 2009. Thats £21m spent on transfers into the club. Over half by Lennon. But if you use that money to bring in over 30 players, well. Thats not the boards fault. £21m will buy 5 quality players. Well, Fortune and 4 quality players. Don't forget, Lennon spent £3m+ on Juarez, who played well, then was dropped, then loaned out.

 

We seem to accepting the unacceptable!

 

Huh who said M'vila cost 20 M? he has been at rennes since 2004, he came through their youth academy, rennes will have nowhere near the income base celtic enjoy i think you will find, only their t.v deal will dwarf anything celtic have.

 

In fact just checking their income there, Rennes made 45 million euros last year, thats 39 million pounds, thats 15-20 million less than celtic make. So celtic are doing something wrong here, these teams play in much better leagues than we currently do yet our income dwarfs theirs considerably. Its just like the Porto article, we need to find the right route to success that combines the balance sheet and the success on the pitch.

 

Unfortunately you only get what you pay for and if you spend no money then you will have a * team. And guess what, we have a * team right now, probably one of the shitest ever!