Making subs

2 down,77th minute lennon decides to make a change, if it was a change lfor example an "impact sub" bringing forrest on at 1 nil you'd say right he's trying to get us back into it.
the vibe i get from lennon is that it's just a few extra fixtures and "ah sure if we could get a draw wouldn't that be lovely" but if we lose "well the other team are just a quality side and we're just poor celtic" there was a result there for the bhoys

 

spot on mate.

 

This is what we get for having recruited a manager with zero expierence to our club... the "in lennon we trust brigade" keep saying who are we gonna get??? well someone with a bit of expierence for a * start..someone who knows when to make subs.. someone who will do away with this zonal marking pish!! i dont care how much "thunder" he has. i want a manager in that knows his stuff

Its hard enough operating in Europe with our budget...but add to the mix a roookie manager and we are doubly *!

 

Hooper was out of sorts as Samaras was on a sponsored walk and hooper never had the support , he isnt a lone striker ..I would have brought bangura on and took sammy off ...and gone 4-4-2

 

What infuriates me are the laptop managers on here who seem to think that they could do a better job than Lennon and are more tactically aware than him and his coaching staff.This is the real world of professional football and these guys have been in it for years. I think they may have picked up a bit of knowledge about the game and I would trust their judgement before some of the "experts" who seem to think that they know better

 

But who will take the job on?? With the budget we have and are operating under lennon is the best bet! Europe for us from now on is going to be very difficult the way scottish football is so the league is the priorty and im * well sure were gonna smash the huns the season espically with the going on at castle greyskull

 

What is what we get with someone with no experience? Taking over a bunch of players at the end of March last year that were lacking in confidence and to win ALL the remaining 8 leagues games, one of which was a 2-1 win against the bigot brigade? Bringing in 11 players last summer and getting them to all gell together? Completely dominate most of the matches we played against the manky lot? To finish the league only ONE point behind the filth after his first full season in charge? To win the Scottish Cup in his first full season too? I don't think that is TOO bad for starters for someone with "zero experience".

And how's he's supposed to get the experience if he's not given the time and opportunity to GAIN experience? Billy McNeill was a rookie manager when he first managed us back in 1978 yet won three league titles, one Scottish Cup title and a League Cup title. Well, Lennon has got the Scottish Cup win under his belt within a first full year of management so so far he's on par with McNeill's record :icon_mrgreen:

McNeill managed Clyde & Aberdeen from 1977-1978 but he was still a rookie when he took the job on at Celtic in 1978. One full season under his belt - just like Lennon.

This part I do agree with but will come with gaining the experience. I agree that to leave making subs so late on in a match won't do much good and they do need to be brought on much earlier if they are to make some kind of impact.

It's hard enough operating in SCOTLAND in this day and age with our budget let alone Europe BUT if we're expecting Lennon to conquer Europe before making a real impact in Scotland first then I think our hopes are far too high.

If Lennon can learn to make the subs when they are needed and change the tactics of a match early on when things are not going to plan then we will have a good man in charge of Celtic

 

A few absolute roasters in here had too much lager and nipped on here for a very thick argument.

 

thats the thing...hes not learning... its the same old mistakes & the same players that he always picks
& you cant compare him & mcneill ... having managed 2 other clubs first he was far from a rookie

& this argument about "well who else are we gonna get??" is that what you want for Celtic theres plenty of managers out there the now unemployed all over Europe with the expierence necessary... had we heard of Jansen before he came for example??... its not my job to go scouting managers.. its the celtic boards & they shouldve done it when they got rid of mowbray not just picked Lennon to appease fans...

Lennons not learning & thats my biggest worry & this isnt just based on last night i actually wasnt too displeased with that..its in general.

 

I think I can compare because it's the same thing.

So because he managed two other clubs - one of which he was only managing at for a matter of two months - within the same season before he started with Celtic doesn't make him a rookie? Rubbish.

He had ONE year in charge of Clyde and Aberdeen (in 1977) before starting at Celtic (in 1978) so it's hardly a load of experience in managership. Lennon has been in the job since March last year, so time-wise it's about the same length and McNeill wouldn't have had much more experience starting his job with Celtic than what Lennon has got now.

I'm not in the "well who else are we gonna get" category because I'm happy with Lennon being in charge and I prefer a club to stick with a manager to give him a reasonable amount of time rather than churning out the managers once a year like we were practically doing in the 90s. It's all fine and great going for someone with experience but it's getting someone that wants to manage in Scotland and with the state of the game at the moment I don't think there's a huge amount that want to manage there.

You think ANY rookie manager has brought a load of instant success to a club they have started out managing? No, they needed time. Also, just because a manager has experience it doesn't guarantee anything. Lou Macari was an experienced manager when he came to Celtic but was an absolute disaster. Jo Venglos had a wealth of experience but he never won us anything either.

It's a chance even with experience.

I think he is learning because when was the last time he played Loovens when it wasn't absolutely neccessary to? He kept Majstorovic out the starting line-up for games against Motherwell and Atletico Madrid (and hopefully he sticks to that decision as well) even though the rumour is that Desperate Dan was nursing a slight "injury" for the Motherwell game.

I think he's learning like I say but for some people he's not learning FAST enough and that could maybe be where the problem lies, but none of what I have seen so far from Lennon worries me to the extent in believing that he's not the right man for the job because only time will tell that in my opinion.

 

You cant compare having managed 2 clubs to having managed zero no matter how long he was manger for.. & look at the Legend Caeser is & he was still sacked twice by the club..something Lennon should keep in mind

it is off course a chance even with expierence but its far less a chance so why take that gamble?? isnt our club too big for that..did we not learn nothing from the john barnes fiasco??

Your right hes not learning fast enough.. time is not something we have a lot of in Scottish football..we have had the huns lording it over us for 3 seasons now despite being on the brink of recievership...we shouldve been putting the final nails in there coffins instead of losing titles to them.

And also im calling into doubt Lennons man managment skills..why has Hooper & Commons looked so out of sorts lately..its almost like they have became * overnight... they cant be happy.

 

Sometimes I think he should make the changes earlier.

It's hard to make an impact in a short period of time.

 

Does my head aswell. why he does it i dont no. it doesnt take an experienced manager to realise that doing it so late is a waste of time and rarely makes a difference to the game

 

He's a cautious manager, that's all. He has a game plan which he believes in at the start and it vexes him to change it I think.

If I were him yesterday I would have changed it at half time by bringing Commons on to play left mid, and pushed Sammy up front on his own, taking Hooper off. But I'm not payed millions to make these decisions and he is.

 

That really does my head in the way Lenny does that

 

Such a waste of a post.

"If he is paid millions to make decisions then let him"

"If that ball went in the net it would have been a goal!"