South American Football Thread

Just had a look at that Youtube channel above, and it's fantastic. They seem to show entire games in close to HD quality.

 

http://vipbox.biz/soccer/watch-1iqsd-corinthians-vs-palmeiras

Corinthians x Palmeiras, Derby Paulista.

Flamengo x Fluminense at 10.30PM.

 

Palmeiras two up. They have been able to shut down most of the pitch when Corinthians get the ball, forcing them to aimlessly pass the ball around. Jádson especially has failed the create much. Corinthians only real chance came when they punted it long and luckily it fell to one of their players.

Zé Roberto scored the second. How its possible for a guy of his age can keep bombing up the pith like he does I'll never know. Young Kelvin (Porto loan) has had a good game so far.

Corinthians started the year as the best team in Brazil but no everything is falling apart around them and it will only get worse with their economic situation.

Edit: Drones are all the rage now. Palmeiras fans just had this one with the colours of Guaraní, who knocked Corinthians out of the Libertadores.

 

Fla x Flu

http://vipbox.biz/soccer/watch-1iqu8-flamengo-vs-fluminense

 

Tough game for Boca away to Velez Sarsfield on just now

 

What did Santos actually win? Mexican title or cup?

 

Another game, another defeat for Fla

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rl7SmvPFkk[/ame]

Joint bottom and a great season is ahead

They won the Clausura, which is the second league title of the season.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsutx0aUfpE[/ame]

 

Ok , those league set ups in south america confuse the * out of me. :smiley-laughing002:

 

After their 0 x 0 draw away to Inter, São Paulo's bus got stuck and the players had to get out and push it Sunday League style

Just think of it like winning a league title for coming top before the split and then getting another one for coming top at the end of the split :smiley-laughing002:

 

Sport is very authoritarian,” said the Brazilian marine engineer Ivo Herzog. “And it mobilises millions of people. Apparently, sport attracts a certain kind of human being: men who used to work inside totalitarian forms of government, who are products of non-free environments, who can’t handle a democratic reality. They appear to feel comfortable inside sports administrations, in a way they don’t out in the real world.” For a couple of years, Herzog has been running a campaign to remove José Maria Marin from his positions as president of the Brazilian football federation (CBF) and head of the local organising committee for the World Cup.

“Shame on us. Shame on us,” Herzog repeated. “It’s embarrassing for Brazil that such a person is head of the World Cup and the CBF.” I met Herzog at the Vladimir Herzog Institute, in a small two-storey house in central São Paulo. The institute was established by Ivo and fights for human rights and freedom of speech. It’s named after Ivo’s father who worked as a news editor at the state-owned TV Cultura in the 1970s, a period when Brazil was governed by a right-wing dictatorship. Football was an important propaganda tool for the regime. It is there that the background for Ivo’s struggle against José Maria Marin is to be found.

In August and September 1975, TV Cultura was harshly criticised in a series of articles in the free newspaper Shopping News, a mouthpiece for the regime distributed to every home in São Paulo. The newspaper called TV Cultura’s Channel 2 “a communist stronghold” and the “prolonged arm of Vietnam’s leader Ho Chi Minh".

At that time, Marin held a seat in the São Paulo state congress as a representative for Arena, a party created by the military in 1964, the year of the coup. Arena was the party of the regime and, on 9 October 1975, Marin took to the speaker’s platform in the São Paulo congress. He made an aggressive and heartfelt speech about TV Cultura and its alleged leftist turn: “For some time now, the press has described the problems in TV Cultura and asked for proper measures to be taken by the appropriate authorities. I find it strange that nothing has happened. This can’t continue. If we want to restore peace and harmony in São Paulo homes, quick action is needed.”

Two weeks later, agents from São Paulo’s secret police knocked on TV Cultura’s door. They wanted Vladimir.

The regime had established several different security units whose task was to “keep peace and order” in the country. In reality, this meant to persecute and torture opposition voices. Departments and police bureaus — CIE, SIN, CENIMAR, DOPS and DOI-CODI — had a network of prisons, abandoned factories, apartment buildings and houses at their disposal. Union leaders, leftist journalists, intellectuals, potential communist sympathisers and other critics of the government were brought to these places to be questioned and tortured. One example is today’s Brazilian president, Dilma Rouseff, who was imprisoned in 1970 for her involvement with an opposition group. In jail she was beaten and given electric shocks over a period of 22 days.

A specialty was ‘the fridge’, a concrete box 150cm square in which prisoners were bound naked for days. Oxygen entered through small holes in the walls and prisoners were not let out to go to the toilet. During the day time, government agents would beat their victims’ ears. At night absolute silence alternated with the noise of aeroplanes played at high volume while a strobe flashed bright lights in the darkness and the temperature fluctuated between freezing cold and extreme heat. The intention was to drive prisoners mad.

When the security forces came to get Vladimir at TV Cultura, the evening news was about to begin. Vladimir was scheduled to lead the programme so promised he would turn himself in the next morning. “The following day, before he left us, he told my mother that we didn’t need to be frightened,” said Ivo. “He had nothing to hide.” Vladimir arrived at the police with a colleague to act as a witness that he had turned up. His friend said goodbye and, as soon as the door clicked behind Vladimir, the torture began. A few hours later he was dead. The agents put a belt around his neck, hung the dead body from the roof and picked up a camera. A photograph was posted to his family and the press with the news that Vladimir had committed suicide in his cell.

A central figure in the São Paulo secret police was Sérgio Fleury, the boss of the DOPS bureau. Fleury was also an acquaintance of Marin and shortly after the death of Vladimir, Marin took to the speaker’s platform again. “Sérgio Fleury is an example,” he said. “Everyone who knows Fleury like I do, knows that this man loves his job. He passionately sacrifices everything for the São Paulo police. The city should be proud of him and those of us who know him can’t understand why his work isn’t valued as it should be.”

Marin’s first speech, when he demanded action against the news programmes on TV Cultura, was held just before the murder of Vladimir Herzog. His second speech was an acknowledgement of the work of Fleury, a leading figure in the torture chambers in São Paulo. Because of those two speeches, Ivo’s opinion is that José Maria Marin was a part of the apparatus behind his father’s death and that he’s therefore unfit to head CBF and to represent Brazil during the 2014 World Cup.

Too long to post on here, but the rest is here - https://www.theblizzard.co.uk/articles/a-troubled-history-jose-maria-marin/

 

Cruzeiro sack manager Marcelo Oliveira (who took them to back-to-back league titles) and replace him with... Vanderlei Luxemburgo

Oliveira was sacked due to a power start to this season, four games and no wins in the league and out of the Libertadores. Luxemburgo got sacked for the very same reason by Flamengo only a few days ago. Both clubs are on one point.

Oliviera was/is probably the best manager in Brazilian league football right now. Unlike other sides that look to play on the counter by sitting and struggle to pass the ball in midfield, Oliveira's Cruzeiro played with a high defensive line, which looked to move the ball around to find space. Luxemburgo doesn't do that.

The signing of Leandro Damião and now this show that the board of Cruzeiro are just as stupid as everyone else in Brazil.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUY-FPkALo[/ame]



Joinville, Vasco da Gama and Flamengo are still to win a game.

 

Being reported Carlos Tevez has agreed a deal to go back to Boca Juniors :icon_mrgreen:

 

Nacional just about to beat Peñarol in Uruguay and win the league. Peñarol fans in the Amsterdam stand are having none of that, time for a riot.

It was a shame this game overlapped with the Copa. Maybe not so sad now, even if it is 3 x 2.

Edit: Game starts again and Recoba misses his penalty. There should be 12 more minutes but the ambulance driver goes "* that", and stops the game by driving on the pitch. Nacional champions

 

Zito, the legendary Brazil and Santos midfielder has died, aged 82. He was a key part of the Brazilian midfield that won the 1958 and 1962 World Cups, where he formed a great partnership with Didi. He even scored in the 1962 final. In those games he was a great partner for Didi (one of the games greatest ever passers), with both working to supply Pelé, Garrincha and Vavá with ammo.

He was also the captain of the great Os Santásticos, where he played on the wing in over 700 games. He won two Copa Libertadores in a row in 1962 and '63, and the Brazilian championship five times in a row from 1961 to '65.

 

RIP Zito. In Brazil they still consider Garrincha a far better player than Pele ever was.

 

A new match fixing scandal seems to have come to light. It involves this game from 2013 between Corinthians and Boca Juniors in the Libertadores.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zu7PYXZ1g[/ame]

The game was pretty dodgy looking at the time, but most seen it as just another example of poor refereeing in South America. But now Argentine TV channel "América TV" has released recordings of phone conversations between heads of the Argentine FA (including Julio Grondona and Abel Gnecco*) which seem to suggest that they picked Paraguayan ref Carlos Amarilla to favour Boca Juniors.

Fans of Corinthians have of course made their feelings clear. In their last home game against Figueirense they had this banner which reads "Amarilla - Football's shame". The ref for this game felt this was hate speech and stopped the game until the banner was removed. The CBF has a long history of censoring fans, even when they have done nothing wrong and when protest is needed.



Expect nothing to happen and Boca to get away with another thing.

* The Argentine representative on CONMEBOL's referee board. I don't think he is seen as a friend of Boca (but he was a very close friend of Grondona). Two of his most famous moments came ref'ing Boca games. One, when he was attacked by Carlos Salinas and another when Ricardo Gareca (current Peru manager) smacked the red card out of his hand.

He may have also taken money in the past from Pablo Escobar's drug cartel to fix a Atlético Nacional match in 1989. In the semi against Danubio of Uruguay Atlético Nacional got a 0 x 0 away draw, before getting a massive 6 x 0 home win, which Gnecco refereed.

 

At the age of 43, Rivaldo will come out of retirement tonight. He will start for Mogi Mirim against Náutico of Recife.

Mogi Mirim currently sit bottom of Série B, the second division and have no wins from their first ten games. Náutico on the other hand are riding high, only two points of top side Botafogo.

http://vipbox.biz/soccer/watch-1j9u6-mogi-mirim-vs-nautico

Edit: His return hasn't brought the crowds out. The match officials outnumber the crowd.

 

Flamengo x Corinthians stream in English.

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/flamengo-rj-vs-corinthians-sp-live-streaming

 

Corinthians just got their third.

St Johnstone could give Flamengo a good game right now ffs.

Edit: Full time *. To top it off how on earth do you get an offside from a corner? That takes skill.