The music industry

I'm not saying that there was no value in the Pistols, or their place in the annals of music history. Yes, Maclaren did put them together, but the strength of their songs is actually quite worthy in a social sense. But they were not the first punk band - the likes of the Stooges, MC5, Radio Birdman, the Ramones, the Saints to name but a few all predate them.

The image of the Pistols was part of their appeal in a marketing sense, as they were so completely in your face, especially compared with many of the bands that were active at the time... most of which was quite pretentious, whereas the punk ethos was very much more DIY.

Punk is not a haircut & it's not about tats. It is an attitude that lives and breathes between the ears.

 

Its all about impact mate....and NMTBHTSP was hugely successful and had an enormous impact.I still listen to it.The Clash may have become great musicians...but it had * all to do with punk...they were just a very good indie rock band.
You guys may listen to more modern punk music....but it has roots.Look up punk on wiki.....which band gets the most mentions?And they only done one good album.....IMPACT.

(sorry guys if you reply...but just to be a bit anti-punk...ive really got to go to bed, as i have a * of a busy day tomorrow!)

 

Agree completely with everyone who's saying that there's plenty of good music still out there. The majority of stuff out there these days is made by underground artists who care about what they're producing, not a bunch of wannabe gangsters chucked together recording utter pish simply because that's what the majority of people listen to these days.

Within the past few years I've got hugely into dance music and more recently progressive house. Whilst there are loads of big names in the genre I always find that the best stuff comes from smaller labels. Listen to podcasts, search about facebook and myspace etc. and you'll find there's a goldmine of great stuff out there.

Just a shame I still have to put up with 4 hours of 'shawty on the danceflo', gimme my money what what * ho' in the clubs every time I'm out and pretend I enjoy it or else I look like a moody *.

 

The Clash started off Punk,then reggae influenced when recording in Jamaica,then influenced again when they toured the U.S.
Got to love their style

 

Spice Girls had a huge impact mate, they're still *. The Stooges, Crass, Black Flag, Fugazi, these bands are all better "Punk" bands than the Pistols and if you're going to tell me the Pistols are more "Punk" than Fugazi/Crass for example then I must have got Punk very, very wrong.

Strummer is a much better example of a Punk than Sid Vicious and White Riot is 100 times more raw, visceral and "Punk" than anything on NMTB. Infact PiL is 500 times more "Punk" than the Pistols imo.

 

Im not questioning who is more punk than who....i am saying the * Pistols were the most influential and important punk band.They made every young person aware of punk....and every other new band benefited from the publicity.

Your assertion that Joe Strummer is a better example of a punk than Sid Vicious is a stupid one.He was just another rock musician before this;

On 3 April 1976, a then-unknown band called the * Pistols opened for The 101'ers at a venue called "The Nashville Rooms" in London, and Strummer was impressed by them.[3] Sometime after this show, Strummer was approached by Bernie Rhodes and Mick Jones. Jones was from the band London SS and wanted Strummer to join as lead singer. Strummer agreed to leave the 101'ers and join Jones, bassist Paul Simonon, drummer Terry Chimes and guitarist Keith Levene.[5] The band was named The Clash by Simonon and made their debut on 4 July 1976, opening for the * Pistols at The Black Swan (a.k.a. The Mucky Duck, now known as the Boardwalk Sheffield, England).[5] On 25 January 1977, the band signed with CBS Records and was now a three-piece after Levene was fired from the band and Chimes quit. Drummer Topper Headon later became the band's full-time drummer.

Sid Vicious was not part of the original * Pistols and could hardly even play the bass at all.Regarding what a punk is is each persons own interpretation....but the guy was a junkie nutcase who murdered his girlfriend before killing himself......you have to admit that is punk of a sort...is it not?
The bands you mention may well have had more credibility within the punk industry....but the * Pistols started it all whether you like it or not.The Stooges were just another rock band....although a good and influential one.

Im not saying the SP started it all on their own...i do know the history.....but they were the ones that opened the door, and everyone else walked through.
Your analogy of the Spice Girls is crass.Their music will never rear its head again...their music is instantly forgettable...their music is *....the * Pistols music influenced a generation.
Your personal favourite may be White Riot, i quite like it myself, but there is no single Clash song that makes the hairs on my neck rise like the intro to Anarchy in the U.K.!
It is unfair of me to presume that young people in here that like punk cannot judge for themselves things that happened in the past, and also it is presumptuous of me to presume no-one in here is of an age where it did change their lives.....but unless you tell me you are at least 48, then i can only say....you really had to be there to feel the change in society that punk created.Yes the Clash very quickly established themselves as uber cool punk, but 1977/1978 threw up a multitude of new bands....some of which are still going, and the * Pistols led the way.Im sure you are aware of it...but the Government even fraudulently fixed the music charts to make sure * Save The Queen did not top the charts during the Queens jubilee.....old Rod cashed in there!Things like that gave rise to the whole movement, and helped awake a whole generation of bored with music, teenagers.

 

I like the * Pistols but my favorite Punk Band from back then might be the Dead Kennedy's. Yea most of it has to do with what era of punk we grew up with. For me its bands from 1996-2004 that is where a lot of my punk comes from.

 

From that era of my a lot of the punk was fused in with Alternative Rock. I also enjoyed and still do like the "emo" bands from the early 2000's. I really dont know what the real classification of bands like Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Heights and so on is. I just call it rock because real emo is bands such as Jimmy Eat World (their 90's stuff), Sunny Day Real Estate, and Rights of Spring.

 

The * Pistols compared to The Clash were just posturing, it's like comparing the plastic paddys in our support with those who do have genuine Irish heritage and are clued up about it. The Clash actually had something to say, and just because they were influences doesn't make them better, not many people would say Little Richard was better than Hendrix or any of The Beatles' original rock 'n' roll influences were better than them.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY[/youtube]

Case closed.

 

Hawl...thats no fair!Have you read the lyrics of the songs of Never Mind The bollocks?They had plenty to say.....after that, i'll grant you they were *, but the brilliant lyricist had left....to do adverts!

 

What makes me laugh is how there's so much hate for bands like Westlife and Take That etc. when the second (the first being American Motown and its derivatives i.e Supremes, Shirelles, Ronettes etc etc.) big explosions of manufactured bands was..... punk.
All put together by some posh wanks in suits to make a fast buck and exploit the kids.
Christ Johnny Rotten was given the job of Pistols front man not because he could sing or had any musical experience, but because McLaren saw him in his shop and liked his 'attitude'.

Personally i don't think there is much in the way of good music anymore.
I probably sound like an old fart (i am) but all music now, to me, sounds like something else.
The last big breakthrough in music came and went with 'raves' in the 90's.
And i mean that in a stylistic sense - we had rock n roll, psychedelia, rock, rap, and finally dance.
Everything in between (Motown, Disco, Britpop, punk, new wave, glam rock, metal ad naseum) have just been 'scenes' and mish mash or one style taken to an extreme.
The music styles above brought new sounds, new feels and new structures and the way it was played.
For instance - all songs now are in standard 4/4 time, usually involving a 4 chord cycle and have the usual verse/chorus/verse structure.
That all came about through rock n roll and was developed by each change there after - rock and roll used predominantly 12/8 time and 3 chords for a whole song, since the invention of rock in the mid 60s we have settled on the 'groove' of 4/4 time and the 4 chords.
I dont remember the last time i heard a song on tv/radio/anywhere that wasnt 4/4 time and used the 4 chord cycle. If you hum along you can probably tell where the melody is going too the first time you hear a song these days.
Music has become so stale and predictable.

And why should we go trawling the interweb for good music - aint that what record company talent spotters are for?
The days when they used to find the best music and we'd all go and buy the albums are long gone - they have become lazy.
And its costing them a * heap more money than the latest Nee-Yo or whatever will ever make them.
A world-wide smash hit album these days sells a couple of million copies (Adele for example).
In 1991 and 1995 both Nevermind by Nirvana and Whats the Story... by Oasis sold over 15million apeice.
Metallica in the 80's would sell 10million albums per release.
The Beatles Sgt Peppers sold 5million in this country alone, and it would take 2.3million sales for She Loves You to get to #1 in 1963.
Now you could have a #1 single if you got your extended family to buy 2 copies each.

 

Listened to the whole of Number of the Beast by Iron Maiden the other day for the first time in years and * me it was incredible. I was just as blown away with it as the first time I heard it. Albums like that that don't get boring no matter how many hundreds of times you are hard to come by. You can tell every song mattered to the band and they didn't write a few singles then create some filler to make an album.

 

Good post, definitely agree with being able to guess the melody before it even happens, the banality of 99% of modern pop/"rnb" (if it's a black singer, it's RNB apparently) is astounding. Every song going on about "the club". I got especially fed up of all the Alex da kid songs with a female voice singing over some arena rock chorus, then the rapper does the verses. They all sound the same. Love The Way You Lie, Airplanes, I Need A Doctor, Things I Never Said. The chord progressions are all remarkably similar too.

But record company talent spotters are there to find bands that will make their employers money, that's all there is to it.

 

Westlife and Boyzone are hated.....Take That are not.....as they have at least proved they are talented.
And just because McLaren says something does not make it true.Whether he put them together or not is irrelevant....Johnny Rotten and Glen Matlock wrote the songs and performed the songs.
Also....

The last big breakthrough in music came and went with 'raves' in the 90's.
And i mean that in a stylistic sense - we had rock n roll, psychedelia, rock, rap, and finally dance.
Everything in between (Motown, Disco, Britpop, punk, new wave, glam rock, metal ad naseum) have just been 'scenes' and mish mash or one style taken to an extreme.

So where does American black soul music fit in to your mish mash.Where would you put James Brown?Rock?Rap??Psyschedlia???
Motown may have been the leading label with a whole bunch of artists, but there were many other soul artists that dont fit the Motown stereotype.What do you think young black Americans were listening to in the 60's and 70's?It wasnt rocknroll, rock, psychadelia, rap or dance.

 

Music died in 1980 along with John "Bonzo" Bonham...

 

There is good music out there just not mainstream, right now the big thing with artists is that they have that dubstep sound to them and then they will all use it up until everyone is sick of it life female pornstars.

I'm into trance and I have been since I was in school, I don't think it get's the recognition it deserves but to be honest I don't really want it to. What happens when an artist goes mainstream is that hundreds of idiots go and see them when they don't really understand the music they just think it's cool to like them. Current dance acts that have done this have been Deadmau5 and David Guetta who have both went right down in my estimation (not like they would care I suppose) and Tiesto became * a few years before them I mean what the * was the song he done with Nelly Furtado ? that was terrible.

So I kind of prefer it when it's utter crap that's out right now like Souljah Boy or Tiny Tempah it just keeps the sheep away :icon_mrgreen: A good radio station to listen to music is Radio 1 they usually have something for everyone aslong as you don't listen through the day where it's the usual * but on Fridays Judge Jules is immense. I'm not a big fan of the George Bowie dance thing on clyde 1, I heard dancing in the dark on and I switched it off and thought never again.

 

Check this song out. Its a new song by one of my good friends Mark Rose his new cd comes out July 5th.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCtbOKPiKHs&feature=player_embedded#at=59[/YOUTUBE]

 

Back years ago, you couldn't change a voice to the point of perfection. Now, they could make a bad singer sound amazing. I like the music still but you don't often get true voices out of it that haven't been tampered with.

 

Good Music out there if you look for it!!!
from 2008 to now we've had
Arcade Fire The Suburbs
Arctic Monkeys Suck it and See
Biffy Clyro Only Revoulotions
Bombay Bicycle Club I had the Blues & shook them loose
Glasvegas Glasvegas
Mumford & Sons Sigh no More
The Xx The Xx
Two Door Cinema Club Tourist History
The View Bread & Circuses
The Vaccines What did you Expect

All quality Albums IMO!!!

 

So you like TT now do ya? :icon_mrgreen:
Take That in their original guise before the split with Robbie, were hated by all men.
With the exception of those who are in touch with their feminine side, if you see what i mean. It's only became fashionable to like them now.
Which i think is half the reason BritPop exploded the way it did - it was music for men to get * to :icon_mrgreen:

James Brown is not a music genre. Soul i never mentioned fair do's.
I wasn't having a dig at any types of music merely trying to reference music that changed how thing were done.
Soul for me is a derivative of old fashioned R n B - therefor nothing (much) new. It didn't change the way music was played, recorded, written or listened to.
Motown came from black rock n roll and a mix of pop. Because it had a fancy name don't mean it's original.
Yes they helped change the cultural landscape, but not technically the musical landscape, if you see what i mean.
My point was/is the genre's that broke with tradition and gave us something that we'd never heard before and were a little bit outrageous.
Which is what we need now, before popular music as we know it goes down the pan.