BBC reply to Cup Final complaint

the bottom line here is it was out or order to all of a sudden the 1st time to just come away with this during a half time live football coverage.when there are so many people out there who havent a clue and like to blab * out.

 

Some people need a history lesson here.

 

Mate that's a joke lol. But what else did u exspect. Probaly have a draft of the letter already typed up and just changed the name on it.

 

They obviously just went and did a mail merge.

 

Fair and balanced! Thats a laugh. Fox News use that phrase to describe themselves here in the US and they are a complete propaganda arm of the far right wing of the US Republican party.

 

Got the exact same reply word for word. It's a disgrace

 

absolute joke.

 

complain again about that * response lads!

 

Just read my email,and in my reply i told them they need to look up the definition of sectarian and also that they are a joke and so is their response.

Bunch of *.

* the BBC.

 

Indeed it would be appropriate to mention such a subject. It isn't appropriate though to lie and accuse supporters of something they never did. A lot of *.

 

Yes lets double our efforts about there response, lets put the presure on!

bbc/*

 

i think some fans on th other forums are doing this mate. according to cu twitter anyway?

 

i will file a complaint.


I'd like nevin and mclean to come out and tell us why they decided to lie infront of thousands of people...is there a way of emailing these 2.

 

found this response on another forumI’m less than satisfied by the BBC response. They’ve failed to answer a number of points

I’ve drafted a response as an opportunity for them to answer clearly before escalating the matter to another level. Appreciate any thoughts.

DRAFT

Thank you for your response which I find quite unsatisfactory on a number of points.

In the first instance you have failed to answer a number of questions I raised.

Let me repeat what I asked. I said that

“I would appreciate then a full explanation of the circumstances of the developments leading to Mr Mc Lean’s comments

Which songs being sung were considered as sectarian?

Who considered them to be sectarian?

Who told whom and who within the Sportscene team made the decision that Mr Mc Lean should comment.”

I acknowledge that you have dealt with my accusation that BBC Sportscene lazily refers to sectarianism without clarification of what the term actually means in reference to the songs and chants referred to but feel that your presenters require themselves to be specific in future for the benefit of all viewers.

As such I believe they need to draw a clear distinction between songs and chants that are political as opposed to those that are racist and or display religious prejudice and as such fulfil that part of the BBC’s remit as a publicly funded organisation to educate as well as inform.

Whilst you have offered an acknowledgment that no sectarian songs were sung by indicating that “it would have been more accurate for our presenter to refer to “songs that some people believe to be an expression of sectarianism but which many people nonetheless find both offensive and provocative” you have still failed to answer the questions I asked.

I should like the questions answered.

You have also failed to respond at all to my accusations of bias on your part regarding your lack of comment on the songs sung by Rangers supporters at the Scottish League Cup Final and which were commented upon by Graham Spiers in the Times extracts of which I repeated for your benefit.

I challenged you on the basis that you should “contrast the attitude of indignation displayed yesterday by Mr Mc Lean and his colleague Pat Nevin with the silence from anyone at Sportscene on the issue of ethno religious prejudice displayed at full and regular volume that day and which passed without any comment.”

I pointed out that the “Billy Boys” which was clearly heard at full volume sung by the Rangers support and which carries the lines “ up to our knees in * blood” appears to have evoked no people outside telling Mr Mc Lean anything on that day nor did the singing of the Famine Song which constitutes a criminal offence move anyone to make any comments regarding sectarianism.

I suggested that “this displays a lack of impartiality that does not behove a public service organisation. Indeed it appears to demonstrate a partiality of “Whataboutery” which following recent statements by Alex Salmond and action by UEFA against Rangers to form part of a concerted campaign to draw the Celtic support into the “ one’s as bad as the other” arena once more.

I asked

“What and who drives this difference in treatment of songs and chants sung?”

To all of these points you have made no response.

I wish to offer you the opportunity to respond so that I can determine whether or not the issue needs to be taken further.

 

says it all

 

says it all

 

Very true and have seen and heard it plenty of times myself, especially from idiots like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh.

Basically they are saying, from what I read here, is because Hun FC have been punished - legitimately - again for the sectarian singing/chanting, the presenters have brought Celtic into the sectarian mire just for the sake of it to keep things even. Even though there was no sectarian singing at this match by Celtic fans, they still have to lump us in with the orcs. Another example that they just cannot keep us separate from those * even when there is no evidence of any sectarianism from Celtic fans.
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No, it would have been more accurate for the presenter to comment on the FACTS instead of jumping to conclusions about the singing. They also need to look at the FACTS on what is sectarian and what isn't as they clearly didn't have a clue. The main fact here, though, is that the presenter(s) are clearly uneducated in what is sectarian and what isn't.

If the presenter is commenting on a song(s) - which I believe one of which was The Boys Of The Old Brigade - and has deemed it as "offensive" and "sectarian" then he is saying that Flower Of Scotland and * Save The Queen is offensive and sectarian as well because these two songs are of the same context. They can't condemn one and not the others but it seems, in a way, they just have.

So Scottish fans can sing Flower Of Scotland with no problems what-so-ever, and they don't even bat an eye when the orcs and the English sing * Save The Queen, but Heaven help the fans who sing The Boys Of The Old Brigade. True hypocrisy at it's best.
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Fair and balanced my chocolate starfish!! How is it fair and balanced when Celtic fans have been condemned for something they have not done?! Like I say, the presenters have brought this up because Hun FC have been done for their sectarian singing and have thrown Celtic into the mix. In their view if one is guilty then the other must be as well even though there was no sectarian chanting from any Celtic fans.

This complaints reply is just like their programming schedule - pathetic!

 

great post simpy m8

 

oh dear. pundits are have to take a portion of the blame because they stur up hate between fans and they just turn a blind eye to it.