Cutting the Deadwood!!

Think Maloney is one of our most naturally gifted players with lots of skill but 1 more serious injury and you'd have to let him go. This will be a big season for Stokes still not sure about him, needs to score more breakthrough goals. Loovens hasnt looked like the player that signed for celtic since old firm game at ibrox in 09.

 

Forster- for obvious reasons, but would you have him back? - agree.
i wouldn't have him back. think we could get better in than what he would cost.

Zaluska- in my opinion was found seriously wanting in early season. be lucky to get 500k for him - agree depending on if he wants to leave.
we ain't gonna get Buffon to sit on the bench. he is good enough to be number 2.

Hinkel- freedom of contract 18-20k a week saved? - agree.

Loovens- never been confident in him too weak for me. kenny miller proved that £750k-1M and 10k - agree.

Cha- services not required with matthews in and wilsons form being terrific. £1m and 10k a week - unsure.
for that money it would be hard not to take it. however, i am worried that Wilson might get injured and Matthews is an unknown entity to fall back on alone.

Juarez- dunno why it hasnt worked out for him perplexed the same as fan who seen him pre-season and early season need to try and claw back as much of the fee as poss. £2m and 15kpw - unsure.
i'd prefer to send him out on loan or give him another year to change our minds but it depends if he is given the chance or not by who Lennon brings in.

Ljungberg- perennially injured cracking player but too much of a risk 25k pw - agree.
won't get a look in when we have other stronger wingers at the club and his wages could be spent elsewhere in the squad.

Maloney- a robber pure and simple id accept almost any fee offered to get this guy off the wage bill a total drain on resources more so than my kids!! plus he must be on a good wage 15-20+? - disagree.
i think everyone knows on here my feelings towards Maloney. was our best player along with Ki in the first half of the season.

McGinn- just not good enough 500k and 5k pw - agree.
never going to get a look in with our current talent on the wings. probably 6th choice winger.

McCourt- a mercurial talent but i dunno about paddy i just dont see where he fits in and for his careers sake hes too good to be benched every week here £1.5M 4k pw agree.
disagree with the fee. think we'll get around £1m for him.

Murphy- should never have been bought in the first place a million pound mistake!! 500k 10k pw - agree.
he was an essential purchase imo. it is because of him we didn't have the same crisis in our striking department that we did at Christmas with our centre backs. he should be moved on now we are in a position to strengthen that area.

Sammi- i like sammi as well but he frustrates me to bits and i want him gone before i end up bald would do well in spain or italy i feel £2M purely due to the new contract and 15-20k pw - agree.
cannot wait to see the back of him. imo he is key for us getting in two strikers and not just one this window.

Stokes- has been a good signing for the outlay but i feel hes more hassle than hes worth always a story and the whole too tired to play for Eire after a 25min cameo in the cup final was a joke bit lazy bit moany £2m 10k pw - disagree.
i don't care what he does for Ireland as long as he doesn't get injured. moany? you don't have to deal with him day-in day-out. no stories have said he is a disruption to us behind the scenes. joint top goalscorer - enough said.

Hooiveld- never kicked his career off here properly but shouldve avoided talking to the press before he had a run in the side shame but £1m 8k pw - agree.

McGowan- just nowhere near good enough let him go for free - agree.
wouldn't let him go for free. one man's rubbish is another man's treasure. St Mirren expressed an interest. he won't be going for free. nor will anyone else who's contract isn't expiring.

O'Dea- thanks for the cup final against the huns but hes had plenty of time to try and cement a place move him on 500k - agree.

Hutchison- what that your thinking who? aye me too! - agree.
think his contract is expiring anyway.

we should be getting rid of the deadwood as Lennon wants a far smaller squad to manage. it will boost his war chest and free wages.

 

half the players on the OP's list were loaned out this season and weren't even used so they won't need to be replaced. we have a first team squad of around 29. Lennon says he wants a squad size of 23 and to bring in 4 players. this means we need to get rid of about 10 players.

 

Forster - I think if there is any chance to do a deal for Forster we should take it. Started to look very good in the back half of the season, he is also very young and vocal at the back. I believe he would be a very good investment.

Zaluska - Indifferent

Hinkel - No problem with him leaving as Matthews is a real coup for the club. Wilson is going to have to work mighty hard to keep him from taking the RB position.

Loovens - not sure what his wages are like but certainly not keen on him being a starting CB.

Cha - Club doesn't need him.

Juarez - Would like to see him stay as he is great utility. We need to retain quality on the bench and for cup runs.

Ljungberg - No use to the club.

Maloney - Same situation as Juarez. Need to retain a certain level of quality on the bench.

Mcginn - surplus to requirements. Not sure how long is left on his contract but a good loan move to prove himself would be ideal.

Mccourt - Would personally like to see him get more chances. I just wonder what he is capable of with a run in the team.

Murphy/Sammi/Stokes - I'd listen to all offers. Sell at any reasonable price.

Hooiveld - I still don't know about him. Not seen enough to think he is worth keeping.

Mcgowan/O'Dea/Hutchison - not needed

Well that is my thoughts on this thread.

 

very good selbybhoy!! read the post i think you'll find that only 2 players i mentioned were regulars one of them being forster whos off anyway!! try and be constructive instead of posting wee narcy one-liners or dont bother!!
i'll re-iterate all in we have a first team squad of 35+ players we need a squad of 24-26 for a season who can be cut for the benefit of the team financially and professionally!! with all the players ive mentioned gone and the new players already signed (kelvin,matthews) plus the others still to come (long,given,bothroyd or keane please please please) we'd be in great shape both financially and on the park.

I knew stokes inclusion was gonna be a bone of contention, i dont deny he has without doubt had a good season and contributed to that season, but i PERSONALLY cant stand a moaner and your right Hammy i dont have to see him day in day out
(thanks * theres enough moany bastids in my work anyways but i think with possibly Long coming in thats a Hoops Long partnership and stokes will be benched much to his chagrin and then its his da in the papers every other week shouting about respect and stuff he's good but very much replaceable!!

Bhoy81 your probably right i was overly conservative in my estimation for him after such a good season about 3million would be right anymore than that and we'd have won a watch!! again i just think that stokes is replaceable and long would definately do that and i still think that bothroyd or keane are a possibilty also in that department

 

out have to go: cha, hinkel, hooiveld, conroy, ljungberg, mcginn, juarez (unfortunately), carey, mcgowan, hutchinson, rasmussen & murphy.

cervi, towell, marr, toshney & spence should be loaned out imo for some first team action see how they develop because they all have potential.

we need 2-3 good finds again on top of wilson & matthews. think we will take the next step if we remove the deadwood.

 

Stokes has been a quality player for us, just the papers over exaggerating things as per.

 

agree with all of them going apart from paddy, stokes, maloney and juarez. I would also consider keeping Samaras and Cha but they can go if a decent offer comes in

 

Cha isn't on 10k a week and there's not a chance we would get £1M for him. He's in the last year of his contract and is in his 30s.

Again with McCourt there's not a hope in * of getting £1.5M for him. He's a good player to have around and not much point in selling him for the fee we would get.

And anyone who wants to get rid of Stokes is an idiot. Goals, assists and link up brilliantly with Commons and Hooper.

 

+1

 

Agree with the original poster except for Stokes..."cos hes got a moany face" isnt enough of a reason he knows were the goals are! Its time for Lennon to start trusting him in the big games.. id be moaning too if i was him this season.. getting dropped for all the Celtic v "them" games!

 

i could be wrong but i think there will be more players leaving than arriving. most of those players listed should be moved on. and the promising young players promoted in their place.

 

i'd deffo Keep Stokes and McCourt but i'd throw Rasmussen into that list also.

Potentially Lennon can raise up to 8-10m on player sales this summer and free up to 100k a week in wages (hinkel and ljungberg alone would save about 45k pw) then lennon would have 8-10m to go out and buy 3 quality players, GK, CB and Striker and have 100k a week to pay them.

easier said than done though...

 

Why not sell the whole squad?

Zaluska- dont think we can be bothered to find a keeper let alone getting 2 keepers. He is good enough as a backup.

Cha- He played well enough, and will provide options on the wing in europe. And imo he is a better RM then brown.

Maloney- give him 1 more season, we know what he is capable of.

McCourt- Yes we should sell him but only at the right price. Not worth selling if the offer is under 1 mil.

Murphy- Not nearly as bad as every1 is trying to make him but not great either. I prefer him over samaras. Either him or raz can go.

Everything else i practically agree with you

 

I'd keep the ones in bold and ship the rest.

And yes, I know Murphy... but I feel he has more to offer and when you consider his market value and also the fact that too much change could potentially destabilise things, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the above still around next season.

Having said that, now that Lenny has worked with them all for a full season he'll have an idea of who to keep & who to bounce - the revolving door could be busy this summer.


And don't forget to add Rasmussen to that list too :icon_mrgreen:

 

Keep Stokes, McCourt and Zaluska out of the list. Zaluska isn't good enough to start but he's a decent number 2. If he wants to leave, that's a different story. Stokes scores goals. He does his job so there's no reason to get rid of him. McCourt should be used as a squad player and an impact sub. Plus, he's the Derry Pele..

I don't really know what I want Lenny to do. While it would be good to have a bit of a cull to get more wages and transfer money, to bring in one or two quality players, we don't want a small squad.

 

i wouldny sell any of them but i'd bring a few in we need a massive squad for a challenge of 4 fronts

 

I know we dont really want a small squad but paying players exhorbitant sums of money when they are rarely playing is just mental, especially in light of our financial figures at the last agm.
plus our first team squad including the loanees is anywhere between 35-39 players far too many for me! i think a squad of 24-26 is more than ample.

Seriously mate!!
you wouldn't part with a single player in this squad, are you david murray? we just keep paying til we're potless.
a lot of these guys are nowhere near the standard now required to play for celtic. dont forget mowbrays away!!