We're still being tarred with the same brush

Vivalahoops · May 13, 2011

Immortal said: ↑

Therefore 10% is sectarian... such as?
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All the IRA, FTQ and DOB staff that gets sung does our fans and the Club no favours.

trackebhoy · May 13, 2011

marti~bhoy said: ↑

It's totally understandable that we get tarred with the same brush (especially in England) as long as sections of our support continue to sing songs glorifying a terrorist organisation that murdered innocents down there.
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We have so many good songs aswell i cant understand why they need to sing these.

Parhead is rocking the most when we sing songs such a
Walk on
JCGE
The celtic song
Lets all do the huddle
Lets all do the broonie

When the ira songs are sung only a small % join in

Vivalahoops · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

By the way this thread is going we shouldn't have any political songs at football so The Fields Of Athenry can go and Let The People Sing can go to. And while we are at it lets take the clover out are badge and change are Irish name.
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Celtic was a name chosen by Brother Walfrid to unite the communities of Scotland and Ireland. It's not an Irish name per se.

selbybhoy · May 13, 2011

Sean South 1888 said: ↑

People have a valid point when they say "we would need to stop the IRA chants and songs if we ever want to get in the English leagues" but aside from that i believe we should stop them at the games period. Not because i think they are wrong, or immoral. They are simply in appropriate at the games. I myself, like a lot of Celtic fans, take issue when people try and say that it is against the law to sing them or that it is morally wrong to sing them or that they are sectarian. Absolute nonsense. I reserve the right to play them, sing them and enjoy them. That is my right and i don't have any qualms about doing so but i can understand that they offend some people and there is a time and a place for them. We have to understand that in life, Certain things are appropriate in some situations and certain things aren't. Certain things are in your best interests to do in some situations and certain things aren't. Singing IRA songs at the match will do us no favours whatsoever. It will simply do us harm. I don't care about the bigots and Rangers fans who are offended by them but i do care how it is perceived in world football and especially England. No matter how you look at it, England wouldn't want a group of fans who sing pro IRA songs and more than they would want the FTP brigade from across the city. They will see it as one and the same. A helluva lot of people down there who lost loved ones would also find it deeply offensive. The same way Nationalists in the north of Ireland would find it offensive if English people went over there singing songs about paratroopers on * Sunday etc. It is about what is appropriate. You wouldn't have a Republican march in Larkhall. Why? Because rightly or wrongly it would cause offence therefore it is simply wouldn't be appropriate.

We have to accept that there will be people who will take issue with these songs but try and get away from thinking that by not singing them, you are somehow admitting that they are morally wrong and look at it more as realising that a football match in not an APPROPRIATE place for these songs. If we really cared about our football club, we would refrain from singing these songs and handing the media, and other people with agendas, a stick to beat us with.

I love Irish rebel songs as much as the next guy. My cousins play in a RFB. I was brought up around Irish music and understand what they're all about. I also understand what people's common misconceptions about them are and i take issue with people who call them sectarian without actually knowing the words to the songs and what they're about but as i've gotten older, i have come to realise when the right time is to listen, sing them and appreciate them and when it's the wrong time. A football stadium is the wrong time IMO.
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Fantastic thank you what a well thought post

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

Vivalahoops said: ↑

And what's right about it? We're a football club. Sing about the heroes who brought glory to the team, the heroes that made Celtic a name recognised throughout the World. Stop giving fannies like Traynor, Leckie et al the ammunition to attack the club.

Some people on here are adopting a no one like us and we don't care type of attitude and I thought that belonged to the knuckledraggers at Ibrox.
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Everyone apart from the english and the huns love us.

celtic_bhoy81 · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

By the way this thread is going we shouldn't have any political songs at football so The Fields Of Athenry can go and Let The People Sing can go to. And while we are at it lets take the clover out are badge and change are Irish name.
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We don't have an Irish name.

Jeannie · May 13, 2011

Sean South 1888 said: ↑

People have a valid point when they say "we would need to stop the IRA chants and songs if we ever want to get in the English leagues" but aside from that i believe we should stop them at the games period. Not because i think they are wrong, or immoral. They are simply in appropriate at the games. I myself, like a lot of Celtic fans, take issue when people try and say that it is against the law to sing them or that it is morally wrong to sing them or that they are sectarian. Absolute nonsense. I reserve the right to play them, sing them and enjoy them. That is my right and i don't have any qualms about doing so but i can understand that they offend some people and there is a time and a place for them. We have to understand that in life, Certain things are appropriate in some situations and certain things aren't. Certain things are in your best interests to do in some situations and certain things aren't. Singing IRA songs at the match will do us no favours whatsoever. It will simply do us harm. I don't care about the bigots and Rangers fans who are offended by them but i do care how it is perceived in world football and especially England. No matter how you look at it, England wouldn't want a group of fans who sing pro IRA songs and more than they would want the FTP brigade from across the city. They will see it as one and the same. A helluva lot of people down there who lost loved ones would also find it deeply offensive. The same way Nationalists in the north of Ireland would find it offensive if English people went over there singing songs about paratroopers on * Sunday etc. It is about what is appropriate. You wouldn't have a Republican march in Larkhall. Why? Because rightly or wrongly it would cause offence therefore it is simply wouldn't be appropriate.

We have to accept that there will be people who will take issue with these songs but try and get away from thinking that by not singing them, you are somehow admitting that they are morally wrong and look at it more as realising that a football match in not an APPROPRIATE place for these songs. If we really cared about our football club, we would refrain from singing these songs and handing the media, and other people with agendas, a stick to beat us with.

I love Irish rebel songs as much as the next guy. My cousins play in a RFB. I was brought up around Irish music and understand what they're all about. I also understand what people's common misconceptions about them are and i take issue with people who call them sectarian without actually knowing the words to the songs and what they're about but as i've gotten older, i have come to realise when the right time is to listen, sing them and appreciate them and when it's the wrong time. A football stadium is the wrong time IMO.
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Absolutely superb post and one of the best I've ever seen on here

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

Vivalahoops said: ↑

Celtic was a name chosen by Brother Walfrid to unite the communities of Scotland and Ireland. It's not an Irish name per se.
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The way its said is Irish.

Markybhoy · May 13, 2011

Sean South 1888 said: ↑

People have a valid point when they say "we would need to stop the IRA chants and songs if we ever want to get in the English leagues" but aside from that i believe we should stop them at the games period. Not because i think they are wrong, or immoral. They are simply in appropriate at the games. I myself, like a lot of Celtic fans, take issue when people try and say that it is against the law to sing them or that it is morally wrong to sing them or that they are sectarian. Absolute nonsense. I reserve the right to play them, sing them and enjoy them. That is my right and i don't have any qualms about doing so but i can understand that they offend some people and there is a time and a place for them. We have to understand that in life, Certain things are appropriate in some situations and certain things aren't. Certain things are in your best interests to do in some situations and certain things aren't. Singing IRA songs at the match will do us no favours whatsoever. It will simply do us harm. I don't care about the bigots and Rangers fans who are offended by them but i do care how it is perceived in world football and especially England. No matter how you look at it, England wouldn't want a group of fans who sing pro IRA songs and more than they would want the FTP brigade from across the city. They will see it as one and the same. A helluva lot of people down there who lost loved ones would also find it deeply offensive. The same way Nationalists in the north of Ireland would find it offensive if English people went over there singing songs about paratroopers on * Sunday etc. It is about what is appropriate. You wouldn't have a Republican march in Larkhall. Why? Because rightly or wrongly it would cause offence therefore it is simply wouldn't be appropriate.

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We regularly see Orange walks going through Celtic/Catholic areas so I don't think the authorities give too much of a * about how 'appropriate' some forms of sectarian behaviour are. Orange walks are a much bigger source of consternation and sectarian tension than Celtic fans singing a few rebel songs at a football match.

I'm not going to stop singing all the rebel songs just because it might offend a few Huns or any English onlookers. There is an argument that we could just stop singing the rebel songs that specifically have "IRA" in them, I would be willing to consider that, but stop singing all the Republican songs? No chance.

selbybhoy · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

Everyone apart from the english and the huns love us.
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Hate who ?

althusser · May 13, 2011

'Parkhead is rocking the most when we sing songs such a
Walk on
JCGE
The celtic song
Lets all do the huddle
Lets all do the broonie

When the ira songs are sung only a small % join in'

exactly, it proves who the minority are

celtic_bhoy81 · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

The way its said is Irish.
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lol Don't talk cach. It's the English way or pronouncing it. If it was Irish it would be the same as gaelic and be Ceiltich

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

Markybhoy99 said: ↑

We regularly see Orange walks going through Celtic/Catholic areas so I don't think the authorities give too much of a * about how 'appropriate' some forms of sectarian behaviour are. Orange walks are a much bigger source of consternation and sectarian tension than Celtic fans singing a few rebel songs at a football match.

I'm not going to stop singing all the rebel songs just because it might offend a few Huns or any English onlookers. There is an argument that we could just stop singing the rebel songs that specifically have "IRA" in them, I would be willing to consider that, but stop singing all the Republican songs? No chance.
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Spot on.

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

celtic_bhoy81 said: ↑

lol Don't talk cach. It's the English way or pronouncing it. If it was Irish it would be the same as gaelic and be Ceiltich
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Which is said with a soft C.

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

selbybhoy said: ↑

Hate who ?
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What you going on about now?

celtic_bhoy81 · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

Which is said with a soft C.
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That's not Irish! The soft C is the English speaking way of pronouncing it. Keltic is closer to Scots gaelic and Irish

selbybhoy · May 13, 2011

Mystic Penguin said: ↑

Spot on.
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I am not saying dont sing them or have the views you have thats not the case its when its at a football match thats the problem.
And when the media is looking to get a cheap story then its ammo for them.

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

The people in here that hate rebels should definitely attend the game on Sunday and tell the bad rebel singers to stop what they are doing. Moaning infront of a computer screen won't stop us.

althusser · May 13, 2011

Just wondering - if Neil Lennon and the players asked the fans to not sing particular songs, because they didn't find them supportive, would people consider not singing them

Mystic Penguin · May 13, 2011

celtic_bhoy81 said: ↑

That's not Irish! The soft C is the English speaking way of pronouncing it. Keltic is closer to Scots gaelic and Irish
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I speak gaelic ( Irish) and I have normally said it with a soft C. I might be wrong on this one but im sure im right.

We're still being tarred with the same brush

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