sectarianism?are the police taking it too far

now its about fcukn time parkhead and the strathclylde joke force to sit down and put together sum signs telling the fans what is deemed sectarian and whot is bnot allowed to be WORN!!!!!! on your shirts, hats , scarfs, infact any item of clothing. and does this also mean u kan be done for a sectarian breach of the peace if you have tatoos that the police deem to be sectarian. and wot gives the strathclyde joke the right to decide wots offencive and wots not sum of them dont know the story behind some of these words sayings and songs for * sake sum of them are just oot school. athink they should be schooled on sectarianism nationalism and immigration descrimination. and the park heed officials should do a wee bit more to inform the fans which keep the club ruunnin!! so they dont get jailed for simply wearing an item of clothing with a slogan on it there is no signs as u enter the turnstiles there are no sings in the toilets either to let fans know where they stand. i am fcukn raging at this .oh aye let me just say i dont agree with shouting swearing conducting yourself in a disorderly manner and singing sectarian song at paradise as i realise it is an offence! to do this. but i was jailed on sunday at half time for singing your never walk alone whilst holding my scarf above my head proud of my heritage and ansesters but the strathy pigs jailed me for sectarian breach of the peace and i lay in jail til tues afternoon this is ridiculous misscarage of justice. PARKHEAD HAS TO WORK WITH THESE IDIOT POLICE ALOT CLOSER SO THIS DOESNT HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE. i welcome your comments my fellow tims. gbnl

 

I've seen video footage of a guy getting a Starry Plough taken off of him at the old CP,and have seen it alot of times since but still am not sure if it's actually allowed or not? It should be anyway.

What did your scarf say on it?

 

Are the police taking it too far ? No, not far enough.

It's horrible and needs to be eradicated.

 

Moved to TalkCeltic Pub.

 

re sectarianism

can you see a handsome hun which i thought was just banter as the word hun is not sectarian same as the word feinan its the way these words have been ground into the old firms songs and phrases which has lost or changed the meaning of these words its a sad sad day when you cant display your affection for your heritage and ancesstors(spelling??) without being reprimanded

 

What's onthe scarf or t shirt.

 

* me did I ever have bother reading the original post, felt pished for a minute or so.

 

How the * did they spot that ? What did they say when you showed them the scarf ?

 

Nothing wrong with that,sounds like banter to me,but how would we feel if a hun had a scarf saying "Can you see a handsome *"?
When we say "hun" many huns think we mean Protestants as well as Rangers supporters,or pretend they beleive that's what we mean.
This complaining culture really has * alot of things up for football,but I don't think enough has been done properly tostop sectarianism and racism.Instead they ban words that aren't even sectarian,even though we really do know what they mean when calling us Fenians.

 

sorry bout the typing not really a computer person a just had to come on to get the oppinion of my fellow tims. the pigs spotted it wen i came back from half time and we started youll never walk alone. i told the pigs it was absolutely ridiculous and asked them to elaborate on what they deemed as sectarian writing they were too young officers and i could tell they didnt have a scooby, wen i asked them if jailing me was a statistical thing they went mad so i had obviously touched a nerve with them. i wasnt resisting arrest or being out of line with them as i thought i would be released. oh how wrong i was i was released alright but not until tuesday@1630!!!!!strathclyde police=joke squad go back to school

 

to kennybhoy

i understand this kenny thats why a think the strathclyde joke squad should state clearly whats allowed to be worn(not sung as i am well aware of that) and if the joke squad really wanted to do something about it they should flex a muscle and actually act like put together sum posters and clearly state what allowed and whats not so somebody else dosent fall in to there wee rotten trap

 

you done a weekender for having a scarf with "can you see a handsome hun" on it?

One time i was talking to a junkie and he was in for stealing bacon, i thought that was bad.

what happened? admonished?

 

I reckon it would be a good idea for the club and police to jointly release something stating what is regarded as sectarian and whats not.

 

no not admonished at all!!!!! given bail til july now if this was actually an act of sectarianism would i have been bailed dont think so as i have previous but i wasnt even given a banning order until my next court appearance anyway thats not the point the point is i lay in a * stinking cell for three days with junkie scum thats my reason for being raging at the way the joke squad are policing the place have youz ever noticed and posters up stating sectarianism either at the turnstiles or in the bogs

 

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]From "Starry Plough" No 6 1989[/FONT] ​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]UNDER THE STARRY PLOUGH[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]All political movements have their symbols, songs, flags and banners. The nationalist movement in Ireland has as its flag, the tricolour; the loyalists have the red hand of Ulster. For Irish socialists the emblem generally found fluttering in their midst is the Starry Plough.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]The Irish working class has a history and tradition, as pugnacious and vibrant as Irish nationalism. Irish historians, however commonly overlook this as they grapple with the intricate business of dissecting the two dominant historical blocs, Nationalism and Unionism. The result of such a histographical obsession can be seen in the virtual ignoring of the upsurge in class conflict during the Anglo Irish struggle of 1916-23. In spite of this a tradition exists and we retain in symbols, such as the Starry Plough, a link with our struggling predecessors.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]Origins[/FONT] ​

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]The Starry Plough was first exhibited publicly on April 5th, 1914 at an Irish Citizen Army meeting. Early in that month the Irish Worker reported on this demonstration and noted that "a large number of the Citizen Army were in attendance, headed by a standard-bearer carrying a beautiful new poplin flag, displaying the design of the Starry Plough, the work of Mr. Megahy." The flag, which was much admired at the time, became the official emblem of the I.C.A. and a source of pride for its volunteers. It's originality helped give the Citizen Army something of an identity all its own. Sean O'Casey, in 'The Story of the Irish Citizen Army' (1919), wrote: "The banner, the idea of which was given by a sympathiser, and executed by Mr. McGahey (Megahy) was generally admired, and its symbolic design of the Plough and Stars was indeed strikingly original. The tallest man in the army was selected as banner-bearer, and he was always proud of his work..."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]This first Starry Plough differed somewhat from the version in general use today, G.A. Hayes-McCoy in 'A History of Irish Flags from the Earliest Times' describes it as "...a stylised representation of an agricultural plough with, superimposed upon it, a representation of the constellation Ursa Major, the Great Bear or Plough of the heavens-.." This representation is on a background of green which is bordered by a gilt fringe. The silver stars are disposed along the yellow-coloured plough and the coulter is replaced by a sword with a serrated edge. The version of the Starry Plough currently used by, among others, the Workers Party is a replica of this original flag.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]The identity of its designer is still a source of dispute. It is generally accepted that the streamlining of the design was carried out by the Belfastman William Megahy. Megahy was a teacher at the Metropolitan School of Arts in Dublin. His original design was presented to the national Museum in 1954 by Sean O'Casey. O'Casey who was prominent in the Citizen Army in 1914, didn't believe Megahy to be responsible for the initial idea nor did he accept the contention of some that George Russell first proposed the design. To this day it remains unclear precisely who conceived the Starry Plough.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]Megahy's flag was raised above the Imperial Hotel in Dublin during the 1916 rising. The hotel, which was the property of William Martin Murphy of 1913 Lockout fame was burned to the ground during the fighting but the flag survived and a British officer seized it as a souvenir. The Irish National Museum managed to acquire it in 1955. It was, however, missing when, in 1934, elements of the Republican Congress decided to attempt a revival of the Citizen Army which had disappeared at the end of the civil war. With the original flag believed destroyed in 1916, it was agreed to design a new Starry Plough.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]New Flag[/FONT] ​

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]The l.C.A. was revived briefly at the time of the Republican Congress by veterans of the old Citizen Army and volunteers forced out of the Republican Movement by a General Order forbidding members giving any support to the Congress. The flag they took as their emblem is that used by the I.R.S.P. today. It consisted of white stars on a blue background. It has become the accepted flag of Irish socialism and of the Irish working class. The Irish Labour Party used the flag until relatively recently when they replaced the blue with a red background. Perhaps they finally discovered the origins of the flag and decided that it wasn't for them? In the past few years their use of the flag has diminished and it would seem that they intend replacing it with a hand clasping a red rose - the symbol of European social democracy.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]For most Irish socialists the Starry Plough remains a potent symbol. It remains a symbol of militancy. It is a flag that once flew over Dublin as a flag of rebellion. It shall do so again, not below the tricolour but above it, alongside a red flag, as a flag of social revolution.[/FONT] ​

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I know about the flag Butch mate,was just wondering if we're actually cool to take it to the games or not.
Is that from the INLA magazine?

 

to kennybhoy

helo keeny thanks for your replies. look forward to getting on some other forums and seeing what the celtic family are given it. p.s could you send me a few pics for ma avatar or do you have to download them. rory murphy

 

starry plough is not and illegal flag in scotland and thats law.

 

saw a guy getting his starry plough taken off him at dundee united away, when we had the penalty disallowed and scored a late winner.