The Holocausts over why don't you go home.

If you cannot see how sectarian 'No Pope of Rome' is then you are as bad as every last Hun that sings it. And that is my opinion.

 

And you're as naive as every other Celtic fan who claims our songs are morally superior to there's

 

it is sectarian in this case. i doubt many, if any huns know it's
an anti home-rule song. i doubt many of us know that either i
certainly didn't. they only re-introduced it to their song book last
year the same week the Holy Father was visiting. co-incidence?
doubt it.

by the way don't turn this into an anti-catholic thread.
you have your beliefs but if you're going to stoop to the
huns level and slag of my faith because of the actions of a
small minority of priests then you're as bad as a hun. i'm sure
i'm not the only practising catholic on here who are offended
by your comments.

 

why did you start this thread then?

 

I started it about that one song in particular, like I said I care not about the other songs just that one particular, we have a lot of bad songs in our repetoire I'd like to see to be gotten rid of.

I apologise if I came across as anti-catholic, I'm not anti-catholic in the sense that I hate the ordinary every day catholics because if I did I'd hate my father and mother. I hate the church that has strung my country along for generations whil systematically covering up child abuse. While the pope sits in Rome with his big fat wallet not caring and don't get me started on the homophobia or the condoms issue.

Once again I have no problem with your practicing your faith but I do have a problem with that church, getting parisonersto pay for their legal costs over the child abuse scandal. Bad form in my opinion

 

I have just googled the lyrics....i didnt realise it was that long!Do they really sing all those verses?
Anyway KL, i agree in principle that the song is disgusting and certainly anti-catholic immigrants, but i didnt see any real reference mocking those that died in the famine.Im ashamed to say my own mother who only died on the 19th March, actually was very bitter regarding the last verse about WW2...but i guess as she was a victim of the bombing she had her reasons...rightly or wrongly.I am not being disingenuous but what specific lyrics upset you?
PS...i totally agree it is a disgusting song and has no place in a football ground.

 

What I meant by this is most of our controversial songs are no more morally correct than Rangers songs but the Famine Song is an exception. We may not be as violent as them but we have some bad songs that I hate hearing. And I include No Pope of Rome in that. They may sing it as a sectarian slur or to wind us up but the fact is the song is an anti Home Rule song therefore political. I do understand that post I quote was worded wrong considering the point of this thred but we're not a lot better than them with our songs.

 

Scotland is by far a smaller country. Society is tight. In Holland those two teams are miles apart compared to celtic and rangers. That rivalry is not so much a society thing. I personally believe they only have a hatred of Ajax.

But it not tasteful at all

 

I often wonder where they would have been
If we hadn't have taken them in
Fed them and washed them
Thousands in Glasgow alone
From Ireland they came
Brought us nothing but trouble and shame
Well the famine is over
Why don't they go home?

That verse is the one I have the most gripe with. It may not have any specific verse on the deaths of Irish people but that specific verse alone says it all. It's a song designed to offend, its racist in intent and it mocks the plight of these people who had no choice but to immigrate.
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They were but dont tell that to the six county huns. They think the famine stopped at the future plastic border.

 

A lot of presbyterians at that time were treated badly by the anglican establishment, although not as harshly as the catholics but still badly. They had a big part in the United Irishmen rebellion also a fact lost on a lot of 6 counties huns.

Ulster(all of it, not just the more catholic dominated parts) suffered greatly from the famine. Mostly the presbyterians and catholics.

 

Ok..fair enough.....I understand your point.Maybe im just not as sensitive to the words as they dont apply to me, but you are right...they are not nice and should not be voiced publicly which only encourages the next generation to have the same poisonous viewpoint.

 

you have to remember that it was a small minority of priests and
the good things that the church does in the world far outweigh the
bad. eg missionaries around the world doing charity work and
helping the poor. and you can't say the pope sits in rome with his
big wallet not caring. he apologised for it during his visit and said
that everything should and would be done to bring those responsible
to justice. as for the big wallet part, apart from living in relative
comfort it's not as if he's jollying it up every night spending
the vatican's money. the vatican state is wealthy but i don't
think he enjoys too much of the money. and just because he doesn't
allow single * marriages doesn't make him homophobic. it's in the
bible that man and woman get married and have children. he has to
uphold that basic christian law.

 

This is the same guy who failed to act when he was told that hundreds of deaf boys were abused?The same guy that preaches abortion of any kind,even rape victims,is wrong?That gay people are going to *?
I think that the church has done more damage to the World than any good it may have done.You have to remember how and why many countries became predominately Catholic in the first place aswell.
There's nothing wrong with beleiving in Christianity if that's what you want to do,but what the Church has done and continues to do imo is sick and wrong.

 

Well said that man.

It * me off the way people condemn the Catholic Church for the child abuse scandals yet fail to ever mention any of the great things the Church does. Such scandals occur in every Church not just the Catholic Church, not that you'd know it to listen to some people.

Personally I think it is a strength of the Catholic Church that they continue to maintain traditional Christian values/doctrine. Other churches have wilted in the face of an increasingly secular and morally bankrupt society. The church's resistance to change is one of it's strengths, not a weakness, and one of the things I find most appealing about it.

 

first i've heard of this
but this is your opinion which you're of course entitled to so
we shall have to agree to disagree on this one. all i'd say is
he's trying to make ammends for the wrongs that happened
in the past.

 

"No Pope of Rome" is political and not sectarian ? That's the first I've heard of that, it's the most blatantly obvious sectarian ditty that the huns chant.

I don't give a * if they sing it or not because I'm not one to be offended by what I hear at a football game, I'll just outsing them. But, it's a disgusting song which paints this bigoted wee country in a horrible light and takes us way way back to the dark ages. And if the Establishment are serious about tackling bigotry then this song should be the first one to be looked at and outlawed IMO.

 

Anyway, back on topic........

The Famine Song is abhorrent. The Huns try to pass it off as 'Old Firm banter' but I'm afraid I fail to see the funny side of it. As others have stated many times before, if you sung 'The Holocaust's over why don't you go home?' to Jews or 'Slavery's over why don't you go home?' to black people there would be an absolute uproar.

It's a moral outrage if someone makes an anti-semitic, anti-Muslim, anti-gay or racist(colour based) comment but in this country it seems to be the case that anti-Irish or anti-Catholic bigotry is semi-acceptable. It shouldn't be, it should be treated the same way that other forms of racism/discrimination are.

There are parts of Scotland that need dragged out of the 17th century. They'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming but tough *, it needs to be done.

 

all so boring now, tbh. all has been done and said at this stage

 

away to your bed then. don't let the door hit yer * on the way oot.