Respect for Tony Mowbray?

I think the abuse on here towards Mowbary is disgusting.I never wanted him as manager in the first place,I could never understand what people had agaisnt Strachan ,far too many fickle fans on this website ,I remember threads about how good football we would play.Mowbray tried and failed sure we played terrible but look at the boards investment,didnt help too much .From going hero who created the huddle to * just proves how fickle some of you are,move on Mowbray is entitled to his money regardless if he deserves it or not Celtic signed the contract .

 

RESPECT for him?
that a joke? surely that's a joke?

he * Celtic with * signings, * football and his blame-anything but himself attitude. Try and not forget that he actually came out and blamed the defence for us losing results. What kind of * is that for a manager to say about his players?
deflecting the blame on to the previous manger.

and then when he didn't get his 300-odd grand pay off he's greeting about it?

I'd have respect for him if he, when put on gardening leave came out and said " I haven't done good enough here. I will leave"
but no, he has no interest in the club. Only himself. No self respecting man would do such a bad job at something then demand a pay off. He has no respect for himself, so why should anyone else respect him.

 

Was thinking much the same as Colin McRae-respect is to be earned.

 

There should always be healthy mutual respect from the beginning because it translates as support and encouragement..
If you had the attitude that someone has to earn your respect then it suggests you think very little of them to begin with..

Mowbray's problem which started on day one was talking about a 3 year plan.. He genuinely didn't see the sack coming because he was so into his 3 year plan that changing teams and systems in the middle of what appeared to be a test run season for him , wasn't an issue..

From watching the huddle shows and seeing him and the team training , and the interviews and surprisingly the enthusiasm shown at times , you'd think the team spirit was as good as at any club , but what reared it's head on match day was completely different , more like an acceptance of what will be will be..

 

his 3 year plan included a 28 year old fortune. 31 by the end of his 3 year plan, not old, but not exactly brilliant planning there. Signing him over steven fletcher who he didn't see as a 20 a season player.. he actually thought fortune was a 20 a season striker in this league.
a 29 year old Zheng Zi
a loan signing in landry n'guemo - a 12 month loan deal. not a 36month loan deal.
Kamara - 6 month loan deal, not 36 month loan deal
bought and sold a left back in danny fox for a 6 month(not36) loan deal for Braafheid

3 year plan.. doing nothing but trying to make for him a safety net for his inevitable failure.
if his plan was for 3 years.. where was the proof of planning?
cos I don't see loan signings as proof he was planning a 3 year team. the 3 years line was to buy himself time he knew he'd need.

binning the likes of mcmanus, caldwell, robson, skippy etc... jesus I genuinely believe he wanted sacked. I'm not even just saying that. at times the weird stuff he'd do, like when we're beating aberdeen up there he brings on 3 strikers and we lose or draw the game..
he must've wanted the sack, he honestly must have.

 

I don't have a problem with him binning any players.. Maybe Fox being the only one (not because he was good) but because any manager buying someone and then punting them 6 months later is virtually showing themselves a failure in the transfer market.. Skippy and Caldwell probably were board decisions to sell.. Robson had another year in him but if it was as productive as the previous years service from him then no thanks so no loss there either.. I remember some of the names he wanted in January , permanent signings such as Giroud the french striker and Ramis the Spanish defender.. In the end we get the "out of season" trio of Rasmussen and (soon to be injured) Hooiveld and Rogne , with a couple of high profile loan singings..

As for the football , when he wasn't making an * of it his players were.. Braffheid intentionally handling at 4-2 up in the game at Pittodrie to give a penalty , Brown getting involved with lafferty and seeing red at Ibrox.. Everything started with the manager , his lack of pressence on the touchline showed through the players , and because he didn't contest things with officials neither did our players.. Despite all that he could have just walked away as failure but because of his need to make details public , he's a failure who's now lost any respect he had been given..

 

Fox wasn't Mowbray's fault - he was actually one of the better left backs we'd had over the previous decade, but he (or his family?) never settled up here and he requested a move back down south. I gather we sold him for a profit too...

 

Danny Fox was *, he spent too much time trying to like a pretty boy footballer with his * tattoos and his white Preds and no time actually being any good. I remember hearing about his wand of a left foot, and can't recall seeing him put in one good set piece.

 

he had a good start then a bad dip then I think he went pragmatic and played a fairly SPL-friendly line up that did well, something like

.................Artur

Hinkel.........Caldwell.......Mick.......FOx

Robson.....Crosas......NGuemo.....Aidan

................Skippy/Sammy.....Fortune


It was something like that. They did a good run of form ending in an unluckly OF draw at New Year. I honestly think if he had stick to that lineup we might just have won the league. What I think killed him was the window. It was a complete disaster apart from Keane. It just tore the heart out of that team. If that window hadnt happened I think he might just have got the title. I still dont think he was the man for the job though with his high ideals on football style.

 

I agree with that. I'm sure he played McGeady at left back at one point (st mirren, possibly). At some point he simply did not want to be here. Happens in any job to be fair, I wanted out a job two months in simply because it wasn't working out and luckily had one lined up. No, it wasn't Middlesborough and I'm not Mowbray lol :icon_mrgreen:

 

pretty sure fox said he was made leave celtic for money reasons - so mowbray could cash in on him and get more duds

 

Fox was another major fk up like the rest before, and TM is in my eyes now a major *, WGS gave up his job when things were going ape * but him and the rest never gave up on our hard earned money which is a *

 

nope, mowbray wanted the money.

Danny Fox throws spanner into works of Tony Mowbray’s plans for Celtic | Scotland - Times Online

 

I know it goes on to say something like danny will want to play in the EPL but tbh, I can't look at that as anything other than a positive spin being put on things. he apeared to think we didn't need defenders.. probs why when we were up against aberdeen he brought on more strikers

the bit I don't get though is that he WAS a defender

 

He probably used to day dream of being a maverick striker who plays in a team that fits the way he tries to get his teams to play.

 

I agree that things took a definite turn for the worse after the January transfer window. In a sense, even the signing of Robbie Keane was a disaster for Tony Mowbray because I do not believe that Mowbray wanted Keane in the first place. I think Keane was foisted on to Tony Mowbray by a board who were desperate to appease an uneasy support.

My own personal opinion is that Robbie Keane is better than any of the other strikers we had at that time, Fortune', Samaras, Rasmussen etc, but the point surely has to be this - If Tony Mowbray did not want Robbie Keane then we should not have signed him.

The second half of last season was just a calamity and is best consigned to the dustbin of history. Sadly for Tony Mowbray, he is going to be the man who is going to carry the can for it.

 

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simply all the players in - some not too bad - and he didnt seem to get much from em - and could have got more - and all that really happened is we lost the ball and a lot of time n cash - and then lennon was left still at the point mowbray arrived - so i think he set us back a year didnt move us an inch

not a good manager - or not good enough for the old firm challenge

 

mowbray was way off the ball when he was announced as manager .In an interview he said that he was looking at a 2 year project with celtic. Within 2 years we should be ready to compete for the league title basically.

Theres no 2 year plan for any celtic side on the domestic front . Its all guns blazing from day 1 of the new campaign . Theres only two teams in scotland in competition , so there should never be any excuses from any manager.

In hindsight , yes it was a bad decision appointing him as manager . But these things happen . Im not gona slate the guy , just because it didnt work out .