Ki is a Liability

I think this has been a heat of the moment thread tbh. Fair enough, he was garbage today but that park was more suited for rugby players. Before he went to play for South Korea, he was arguably our best player. I will admit though, today his performance was shocking but take your pick because there was nobody with pass marks today

 

just becuase you thought so doesnt mean the rest of us did, Brown has been a huge disapointment up until 2 months ago

 

Anyone agree that Ki is a really good player... BUT... cant play as part of a 4-4-2. If you gave me a centre midfield of ki and kayal, ki and Ledley or, Ki and Brown I would say no. But with say, Ledley and Kayal centre mid and Ki in-front he can really influence the game. I remember Jiri Jarosik bein similar.

 

tbf he was good the season he won poty

but below par for much of his celtic career so far, 4.4m wasnt worth it, coming onto a game now tho(except today) , but weve seen this before

 

Ki is a cool-headed playmaker who wont dive into tackles like kayal will and who wont pick up many cards. He is just like Xavi Alonso, on his good days he is fantastic on his bad days he is *, mind you yesterday everyone was *. This bashing is not something Ki deserves at all. But its all my opinion and for those of you who want to blame a TEAM's poor performence on a young talented and a fantastic player can help yourself :icon_mrgreen:

 

Im not gonna slag Ki off because hes a good wee player but hes not a starter for me,i see him as a Paddy Mcourt coming off the bench to open teams up in the last half hour..The reason i say this is because defensive wise he doesnt have the dig in him like Kayal,Ledley,Brown and Commons...which were already a winnin combonation but i wouldnt look to much into the Motherwell game that park was a disgrace n not for teams who wanna pass the ball about..Bring on the huns

 

Brown and ledley were just as bad as Ki today and overall this season Ki has been a better player than both of them

 

Young and talented definately.
Fantastic definately NOT.
He's too dependent on a system or a partner to cover his frailties to be effective.... maybe I'm selling him short cause I'm still reeling from yesterday....I guess Zizou did have Makele to do the dirty work...
But long long way to go for him

 

Even in his POTY season?

 

Disagree with you here, I feel Ledley has been our best midfielder this season. I'd say Kayal has been better but he hasn't played as much.

 

Brown has been better than Ledley IMO.

For me it would be:

1. Kayal
2. Brown
3. Ledley

 

The statistics explain it all. Hopefully its better once Kayal comes back. Ki in my opinion doesnt fit in our midfield. Juarez could be better given the chance.

 

This. * me off the way people treat Scott Brown, too much listening to the media.

He's '*' for Celtic and a 'world beater' for Scotland. Bullshit he played the same for both of us, he has won a Player of the Year award at Celtic.

First season he was good up until the stuff with his sister, which is perfectly understandable.

Last season he was clearly unfit and it has only been this season he has had a manager that was fully letting him heel up.

On to Ki, he is clearly a good player. Not as good at the defensive side as going forward but that will come with age. Ki and Ledley as a midfield partnership doesn't work, not enough dig in there.

I would be perfectly happy to have Ki next to Kayal though. Possibly the best passing midfield we have.

Next time Kayal is injured or suspended it has to be Brown and Ki in the middle, with Ledley on the left.

Broony is the only one capable of putting in the kind of shift that Kayal does.

Both protect the defence brilliantly.

 

Don't agree with that at all. I think Ki is the easiest person to pass to in the entire side, always looking for a pass, always taking the ball safely and distributing it into the right areas. There's no way to corroborate this but I'd reckon passing stats would show him to be our number 1 passer (and highest success rate too) and his killer through balls can be sensational. He's also got more goals than either Ledley or Kayal and probably as many assists, not easy from centre-mid and probably in less games.

(The stats that came out for the 3-1 Ibrox game was it? Backs this passing stat up superbly)

He's a marvellous deck player and like Alonso at Liverpool doesn't/didn't get the credit he deserves. Similar type players (although Alonso obv. in a different league) A shame that people think he's lazy considering he works hardest to become available for a pass.

Also a shame he seems to be choice scapegoat for this defeat. Not an easy tag to shake off once you get it.

 

Agree with you until the last part. He is good enough. He's just a lazy, guyless * at times. Thrives in a 5 man midfield, but you can't have him and Ledley as the middle pair. It's shown in our performances and our results. Kayal is missed hugely for his ability, his drive and his will to win, none of which Ki possesses at the moment.

And all these folk saying he's worth £10m - SETTLE! Maybe in a couple of years when he proves himself to be a top notch midfielder.

 

Glad I gave the board a swerve after the game yesterday, knew there'd be at least one irrational reactionary thread scapegoating someone, there always is when we drop points.

The whole team was *, nobody got pass marks, it's not fair to single out a single player for abuse like this, as if they're the main reason we lost.

If you want to point the finger at one player, it'd be Mulgrew for his suicidal defending at the first goal, but even then we had near 90 minutes to come back from that.

 

Bobby how can you say Ki has no drive or will to win, if he didn't have these attributes he wouldn't be a footballer in the first place, the primary reason football players jump to the next level to be professional is entirely because of their ability and drive, if he was as lazy as certain people think he is he wouldn't be playing at a decent level of football.

I think its criminal to suggest football players have no drive or passion, if we take murphy for example he has an apparent lack of ability but i would not question his drive and will to work hard, he wouldn't have made it as far as he has with his level of ability if he didn't work his socks off and use his limited attributes to the very best.

And can we please stop comparing Ki or even Ledley to kayal because they are not the same type of player, they are completely different, you need both of these players in a team and we happen to have both, time to support all of our players and not pick and chose.

 

the lad has bags of talent but we really need to go to war with some of the smaller teams who lack the footballing skills but make it up in effort and drive, ki just seems to go missing in those games and we end up playing a man down straight away, if we are playing a decent team i honestly think that's when we see the best of him.

 

Ibrahimovic, Jarosik, Balotelli, Stevie Fulton to name but a few. C'mon man, there are players who work for the team and players who work for themselves. Ki just doesn't impose himself in a four man midfield. I'm not comparing Ki to Ledley or Kayal. All I'm saying is our performances and results have not been up to scratch with him and Ledley in the middle.

 

Agreed.

To other posters, please stop making this thread out as if it is being used to scapegoat Ki...IT IS NOT!

How can one person be made a scapegoat for a TEAM effort that was truly absurd yesterday.

The OP has simply, like myself, chose to make a thread on a player who does not rate and had a fairly poor game yesterday.