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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21813699

"The crowd were instructed that any procession on the road was illegal but that officers would facilitate a safe and orderly procession on the pavements toward their intended destination at Celtic Park," said a statement.

"However, this was ignored and more officers were deployed as the crowd became increasingly confrontational and aggressive.

"The situation was contained a short time later. CCTV and helicopter footage was captured and will be studied as part of the investigation.
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so not only was there heavy handed policing, we also have the custodians of our streets lying to cover themselves?

We've seen the footage plod, show us your footage of aggressiveness and confrontation if it happened then.

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Absolutely gobsmacked with the pictures and videos of Strathclyde Police's illegal gathering. Why spend thousands of pounds on creating tension and conflict, whereas, had they been elsewhere 'protecting the community', I'm pretty sure there would've been nothing to report on the GB. Even the Mrs said it was ridiculous.Everyone should send a letter to the Police Complaints Commission, although most of the heavy-handedness is down to our Wee Free Government.

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Their goal was for it to kick off. Pigs wanted a riot.

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http://angelahaggerty.com/dispropor...at-glasgows-green-brigade-football-fan-march/

Surrounded by 200 police officers – around one for every marcher there – almost 20 riot vans, a line of police horses, a helicopter and 13 arrests, this was the scene at a peaceful support march in Glasgow city centre in 2013.

Stunned witnesses reported watching women and children being struck with police batons simply for standing in the wrong place. The march was organised by the Green Brigade, whose members claim they have been victims of police harassment and intimidation as a result of Scottish government legislation they say criminalises football fans.

Marchers began assembling outside the Chrystal Bell pub in the Gallowgate and several police fans were quickly on the scene. Men, women and children assembled, chanting “Celtic fans against the bill” as they set off to their destination at Celtic Park for the afternoon game against Aberdeen.

The procession marched up Watson Street and onto Bell Street, where it was then blocked by a line of police officers with support from a line of vans. There had been no visible signs of any violent conduct from any marcher, no disruption to public order, but marchers were told if they took a step further, they would be arrested.

One legal observer and advocate for civil rights – people who observe protest marches and assist anyone in need of legal representation – who wished to remain anonymous, told me: “I had heard there was going to be a protest in the city by another organisation but it didn’t happen, so I came over to have a look here instead.

“This was extreme,” she continued. “I’ve never seen anything like that. I have never seen batons used on kids before, and I witnessed the Piccadilly and London riots. I’ve seen violent demonstrations, this was not that, they weren’t even throwing anything, nothing.”

Scuffles between marchers and police happened throughout Bell Street as marchers tried to move forward. Police threw marchers back into the crowd – some clearly young boys – one disabled child in a wheelchair was almost knocked over by the police line.

“After the march started the police just cornered them and the vans kettled them. The marchers then tried to break through and the police got the batons out. I was elbowed into a car by the police as I tried to take photographs, they were just grabbing and pushing people.

“I managed to get the name of one 14-year-old boy as he was arrested and had his head down in a puddle. I think they were taking advantage because those marchers weren’t political protestors, they don’t know their rights.

“The police kettled them in under a bridge, it was just totally disproportionate. There was no public around that area to be disrupted and it was just outside of public view.”

As the marchers were surrounded by police, reports were filtering through the crowds of several arrests being made. Marchers were told if they attempted to leave they would be arrested. Around eight police vans sat at the Bell Street side of the kettled marchers, with at least another eight gathered on the Gallowgate and several police cars scattered around the area. Police officers on horses then arrived to provide another reminder to marchers that they should not attempt to move. The police helicopter had been circling in the sky from the moment marchers began gathering.

I asked several of the police officers surrounding myself and the other marchers – estimates said around 200 marchers attended, indicating for every one marcher there was a police officer – under what legislation the marchers were being held.

“They didn’t apply to march,” one told me. “They have to make an application to Glasgow City Council. We’re here to prevent disruption. We’re here for public order.”

When I asked what indication the police had been given that this might be anything other than a peaceful march, he shrugged. None of the officers I spoke to named any legislation or indicated what had happened to necessitate was such a heavy police presence. “We were just told to come here,” another said, “I don’t know any more than that.”

While boxed in with the marchers, I witnessed no crowd violence. I saw a policeman pick one boy out and order him to remove his scarf from covering any of his face or he would be arrested. The boy did as he was told. As we waited to find out what the police planned to do with us, we could see marchers who had either tried to escape from the kettle or been in the surrounding area being arrested. I heard one report of a police officer being hit by a bottle but could not confirm it.

The police began allowing the marchers to leave in groups of two or three at certain intervals and from different parts of the group. As I described the scenes to a colleague on the phone, he asked me if I had my press card with me – as I responded and said the words “press card” out loud, the police immediately escorted me outside of the kettled group and told me I couldn’t stand around.

I had no choice but to watch from afar as the rest of the group was dispersed. In total, the marchers managed to make it just yards away from where they had begun assembling at 12.30pm. As I left to find somewhere to write up my notes, I spoke to two men near the Chrystal Bell pub, the marchers’ meeting point, who had also witnessed the police using batons on marchers.

A spokeswoman for Strathclyde police said: “At around 1pm, police were called to reports of a large number of people gathering outside the Chrystal Bell pub at Gallowgate, Glasgow. The crowd, many of whom were wearing similar hooded tops and using scarfs to hide their identities, appeared to be attempting to stage an illegal street procession and officers were deployed to prevent this.

“The crowd were instructed that any procession on the road was illegal but that officers would facilitate a safe and orderly procession on the pavements toward their intended destination at Celtic Park. However, this was ignored and more officers were deployed as the crowd became increasingly confrontational and aggressive. The situation was contained a short time later.

“In connection with the police operation at Gallowgate, Glasgow this afternoon, 13 people have been arrested so far in connection with alleged public order offences, and they are currently being processed. Police enquiries are continuing into the incident and officers will be studying CCTV and helicopter footage to gather further information.”
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the GB should organise another corteo and as much fans of the club as possible should march. if thousands turned up we would see how hard the fascist * are then.
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CelticBhoyDavid said: ↑

Christ, that is unreal.

All those *' wagons and cops you'd think there was some big crime happening. The amount of resources there is unreal.

That is like the policing for a West Ham v Millwall match!
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You mean Millwall and West Ham whose fans are glad the Police are at their games so they can pump out their chests.

Millwall and London teams don't get touched by the Police. It's laughable how they carry on.

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Sean Daleer said: ↑

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Sorry for quoting myself but I am just absolutely sickened after reading that.

Kids and women being batoned, 14 year old kids being held face down in a puddle.

Enough is enough.

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Don't know what will happen in the long run when things like this are happening so often.

Would maybe be able to continue if there were more significant ultra groups in the country to help support the whole football culture - like the way a while back every German Ultra Group marched together - but in Scotland the Green Brigade are on their own. And the club are giving them zero support to make things worse.

I remember thinking after the last corteo they did that the next time they did it there would be alot more opposition to it and the cops would be alot more prepared. Bottom line is if they want to do this they will have to actually say weeks in advance otherwise the cops can say its not a legal protest.

Or else they are going to need alot more fans to turn up, pretty much just the green brigade and section members there today. If another thousand Celtic fans show up its a different story, the police just would want the thing over with and the fans in the stadium.

Just hope they will carry on next season, but i must say it looks increasingly unlikely.

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My *, so many police! That is shocking.

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I am actually sickened reading all this

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What a waste of public money by the * pigs they should be out arresting people comitting crimes instead of victimising people

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I am forced to wonder if the Blue Order or the Union Bears are subjected to this level of over policing?

I've been at hundreds of football matches, big and small, and I have never seen a police presence like that before.

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therealfenian said: ↑

You mean Millwall and West Ham whose fans are glad the Police are at their games so they can pump out their chests.

Millwall and London teams don't get touched by the Police. It's laughable how they carry on.
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I just know that looking at that video it's not indifferent to what we saw in the 80's and 90's (and probably even now in some instances) with fans of teams like Millwall, West Ham, Chelsea etc. The main difference being, though, is that the GB weren't looking for trouble. It was a planned trouble-free march, but the police obviously had other ideas.

15-20 police wagons; about 200 cops; a police helicopter; mounted police. All of that for a wee group of about 200 football fans doing nothing but trying to get to a football match?!

What happened today was a complete farce and if I were a cop I'd be *' embarrassed looking at that.

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The fact that even Angela Haggerty is sticking up for the GB speaks volumes.

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Sean Daleer said: ↑

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21813699

"The crowd were instructed that any procession on the road was illegal but that officers would facilitate a safe and orderly procession on the pavements toward their intended destination at Celtic Park," said a statement.
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Aye - this REALLY looks like the police were facilitating a safe and orderly procession

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This does seem like a ludicrous waste of money and resources.

I have a couple of questions though that I couldn't find an answer to reading through this thread:

Am I right in saying that the GB didn't have permission and that is what the police is using to justify their presence? If so, how easy would it have been for them to get permission?

Were they marching on the roads on the way to the ground?

The pictures look mad but it is pretty hard to understand what this was all about

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CelticBhoyDavid said: ↑

Aye - this REALLY looks like the police were facilitating a safe and orderly procession

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I thought kettling was illegal.
some poor * in the top left corner of picture been huckled,

The police in this picture cannot in anyway be justified,but they will
try & i hope the club ,politicians,other clubs fans & media rolleyes
take them to task over it.
I hope plenty of people complained to the club today.

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Sween said: ↑

This does seem like a ludicrous waste of money and resources.

I have a couple of questions though that I couldn't find an answer to reading through this thread:

Am I right in saying that the GB didn't have permission and that is what the police is using to justify their presence? If so, how easy would it have been for them to get permission?

Were they marching on the roads on the way to the ground?

The pictures look mad but it is pretty hard to understand what this was all about
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They congregated around the corner at the Chrystal Bell pub. Literally 200 yards from where they were "kettled" so they've not really had a chance to march on the roads.

However I think getting bogged down in the why's and how's just threatens to muddy the real issue of over zealous political policing.

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Sean Daleer said: ↑

They congregated around the corner at the Chrystal Bell pub. Literally 200 yards from where they were "kettled" so they've not really had a chance to march on the roads.

However I think getting bogged down in the why's and how's just threatens to muddy the real issue of over zealous political policing.
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Yip...

AFAIK, Celtic fans have been taking that route to games for decades.

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