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Constructive criticism and our real problem

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by celticviking, Nov 27, 2010.

Discuss Constructive criticism and our real problem in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. celticviking

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    First of all, it is really getting on my nerve how countless people in this forum keeps giving our players * without offering any ideas on what should be done different. Please be aware that it does not take a man to point fingers. And it certainly is not doing anyone any good. Neither is it helping Celtic to win games.

    It is the same rubbish comments every week. “Our central defense is not good enough.” And if we don´t score enough, all people do is blame our strikers. If we do win and we keep a clean sheet, people tend to leave som bad comments on Samaras.

    Well, people, I am sick of it. If you don´t have any clue on how to improve our game, keep you * mouth shot!

    Take today for instance. Yes, Maj and Rogne had troubles on the first goal we conceded. Unfortunately. And people in this forum clams there is a lack routine in central defense. OK. That makes absolutely no sense. Maj has plenty of routine. For gods sakes, he has a number of apps for the Swedish National team! And he is 30 something years old. It was just a mistake. And * like that happens! Besides the two goals today, that really came out of nowhere, the guests did not create a single chance. NOT A SINGLE CHANCE! Our CB´s won everything there was to win in the air. They won almost every tackle. That is the facts.

    So, am I saying it is all good? NO!
    The reason why our team is not performing as it should is because of our rookie manager who has no clue what the * he is doing. Our squad is the best in SPL. There is no doubt. No reason to argue that what so ever. But we have a coach who has no sense of tactics. There is a total lack of philosophy!

    The only reason we ever score goals and the only reason why we ever win games is bc our players are better than any other side. But as the game goes on, players get tired. And when we do, the advantage of having better players gets less and less important, as none are able to perform their best anyways. On the other side, highly developed team tactics gets more and more important. And as we don´t at all have that, we find our selfs giving games away the last 30 minutes. Our opponents knows what to do with the ball. They have a way of playing, So even though their players are tired, they create chances because they know where to find one and other and they have clearly defined roles. We don’t. Simple as that

    I find it completely incomprehensible that Lennon has not been sacked yet. The fact that Celtic has a manager without philosophy and with no tactical knowledge or ability is simply mind-blowing. And the rest of the coaches are no better. All they do is tell our players to man up. They demand full effort. And if the players loose points, they claim the players did not put up enough effort. Lousy managing. They don´t have the abilities to tell the players how to play and they have no sense psychology. Which are tho two most important abilities for a football manager. Really: I could do better. And I would do it for free! Even if we had won games in the SPL, there is no way that we will ever bring any trophies home from europe! And the way that I see it, a club like Celtic should.

    I demand a manager who has a clear philosophy and tactical knowledge. Don´t really care if he is a hoops legend or not, as long as he know what he is doing! Look what Ståle Solbakken has accomplished with FC Copenhagen. He has plenty of tactical knowledge and clear philosophy. That is the kind of man we need, not some finger-pointing rookie with a temper
     
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  2. Murdi

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    "I demand a manager who has a clear philosophy and tactical knowledge."

    We certainly don't have that at the moment.
     
  3. pablo88

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  4. kennydal

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    The Bold part ^^^


    Its a forum and people will voice there opinions ,is that ok with you.
     
  5. quadebhoy

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    The defending for the first goal was school boy defending buy Maj and he was the one who also needlessly gave away the corner in which they scored the equalizer from. The defence looked nervous today any time Caley attacked.
     
  6. celticviking

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    No, I prefer censorship. I also fancy dictatorship to democracy. C´mon, that is not at all what this topic is about.
     
  7. Ruxin

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    Well the most constructive thing I can say about todays games is that I think we looked better playing at 3-5-2 rather that 4-4-2 and Lennon should possibly use this system again.
     
  8. Creativecelt Gold Member Gold Member

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    Tony Mowbray had a clear dogmatic philosophy and look how that turned out!

    you have made some interesting points. Firstly I think Neil Lennon, will not be sacked by the board as they see him as a long term prospect as manager, and will give him the time to build a team and win the league. Rangers under McCoist will be a completely different animal.

    The team has lost some important high profile games, but the manager will have learned from these results.

    Defense is a weak area, that I expect to be addressed in january or during the summer when more players become available.

    I enjoy watching celtic, playing attractive and attacking football, but we do need to learn how to close out games and see of all types of opponents.

    The major problem in the team is leadership. We need a player, who can take charge of a game, that we are struggling in and drag the team and his teammates over the finishing and to success. E.G Steven Gerrard at Liverpool.

    We need battle hardened winners, that don't know when they are beaten.
     
  9. die_hard_bhoy

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    clearly....it's all samaras's fault...:icon_mrgreen:


    I think we've been a bit flat since aberdeen. We have a few skilled players with standouts like Ki or Paddy, but since selling Aiden we have been missing a great winger. I also think that Ledley and Ki don't compliment each other as well as Ki and one of the bustling types would (kayal, juarez, skoosh). Ledley and Ki should be vying for one spot (along with the forgotten man, Marc Crosas) while the other three should be for the other. Seeing as kayal and Brown are injured I would look to Juarez, but he is clearly not showing his early season form.

    McCourt and Maloney are better in the hole than on the wing. Personally, I don't like Shaun on the wing at all anymore, while Paddy can still have good games there. McGinn is a solid flying-type winger but occasionally struggles when playing at a slower pace.

    There is work to done throughout the midfield in sorting out personnel and the roles they are gonna play. We lack the balance that WGS was able to give us with Aiden and Naka offering something different on either side and central midfield choices that at least attempted to balance the roles of attacking and defense without being overly conservative like under 'Mon

    Up Front
    We need to decide if we're going for 2 man pairing striker pairing with the JVOH-Skippy model of simple and effectice target man-scrappy finisher (Hooper-Murphy) or if we're going with a more continental model that has a second striker responsible for setting up the goals (sammy, stokes) playing just slightly behind and diagonal to a finisher (Hooper). This is going to determine whether we play on the deck or rely more on high balls and crosses into packed defenses.



    also i think its a bit of a cop-out for fans to look toward intangibles (we lack leadership, our players did not support celtic growing up so they don't care) for the reason why we're not performing. Its more likely that we're underperforming due to something on the pitch than in the minds of the players
     
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  10. wulliebad

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    Well you know where the door is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
    Our defence is *......buy better defenders.
    less goals means more wins...
    We need more money to buy better player to let in less goals and score more than other teams and that gives us wins and that gives us points more points means finishing top and winning this * leage.....is that clear enough for you...?
     
  11. Markybhoy

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    1. This is a forum for Celtic fans where they are free to express their opinions on all things Celtic. Whether you agree with them or not is your own problem. Stop stamping your feet and telling other members to 'keep their mouth shut' like a spoiled 5 year old.

    2. Our central defence is *. If you can't see that you are blind. The majority of people on this forum have all said as much so perhaps it's YOUR comments that are rubbish.
     
  12. KRS-1888 Scott La Rock

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    Spend more.............
     
  13. die_hard_bhoy

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    yea worked out great for portsmouth
     
  14. ordinaryman

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    Firstly in this Forum, whatever our age, we FEEL for our Team, whether we win, lose or draw, but especially when we lose.
    For too long now we have been at best, abject and on many occasions about as useless as a chocolate fireguard. We won the League under WGS for the 3rd time only because the Gers were in such disarray under Paul Le Guin that it was difficult for us not to do so. We have changed Management Teams, Players, style of play and nothing has changed. Where we are now takes me back to the early 60's. The team had the players but what it lacked was a Leader, someone who was in charge and had the vision to create a future. Step up Jock Stein. JS learned his trade/mistakes in places like Llanelli, Dunfermline and Hibs before coming back to Parkhead.
    This year we went for a Celtic Footballing Legend, with NO Management experience, gave him freedom to manage how he wanted and we are where we are. We deserve all we have had and like the current economic climate, I believe worse will follow.
    If you take this season alone, between 14/8 - 17/10, we played 8 SPL matches and scored 18 goals and conceded 4. Since then we have played 7 further matches and if we take out the Aberdeen game, which sadly I think was a 1 off against a poor side, we have scored 8 goals and conceded the same number. So what has happened? A few things.
    We have been without both Brown and Kayal through injury and Juarez through Management decision. 3 Internationals out of 10 outfield players. What has also happened is that we are now playing Clubs for a 2nd time and they are more familiar with our set up, which is where the Leader earns his money.
    He has to be able to be creative and inspire the Players before letting them
    loose onto the field. After watching NL's uplifting and enthusiastic Press
    Conference yesterday - I went to a funeral yesterday that was more uplifting
    that the Press Conference - I am not sure NL, at this moment, can do either.
    He seems lost. I now feel worse than I felt last year under TM; at least he had
    conviction and arguably a weaker squad. So what do we do?
    Firstly as long as NL is in sole charge at Celtic, no more players into the Club
    because, so far, he has not shown he can succeed with 11 new players plus
    what was there from TM's short tenure.
    The Board needs to sit NL down and tell him that he is the future of Celtic
    Management ...... But not at the moment, at least not on his own. He needs
    to learn the trade and from someone with experience. I don't really care who it
    is as long as the 'Teacher' has the ability to share positive experience, pass on
    his knowledge and accepts that it is on a short-term basis. My own preference
    would be Craig Brown. If NL does not agree then we end our relationship, which I sincerely hope does not happen ...... But something needs to change cos we have been in this malaise for too long.
     
  15. paddymcp

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    Lenny needs top stop chopping and changing...

    I thought we needed one top CB for january maybe 2 now ..

    If Hooper gets injured we're for it ..

    Honey moon period is well and truly over
     
  16. albashamrock

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    We still can't defend crosses. We've actually had this problem for years even before TM. We need a strong dominant CB and a Lennon on the park. Someone who would give a team mate a boot up the * if they don't put in 100% even if they are not having a good game.
     
  17. buchanbhoy

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    We have a very naive manager who does need guidance from an experienced manager , The team has no backbone , Nobody is prepared to knuckle down and take the game by the scruff of the neck they all look at each other looking for inspiration instead of fighting for each other , Celtic are a bunch of individuals not a team .
     
  18. Redbaz

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    They get paid fukin plenty to * up
     
  19. jhimbhoab

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    constructive criticism.......
    the criticism..... murphy isnt mobile or talented enough to wear our shirt.

    the constructive bit......glasgow has an airport, a bus station and a train station.....use it and take samaras with you.
     
  20. gary mcguire

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    actually strachan won his 2nd league title against le guen