juarez dive!?

Cheers Onion mate that was exactly my point .

 

making a meal out of a foul isn't diving....its just exaggerating

diving is when theres no contact

 

Well, it's true. Starts in the playground, slightest physical contact and it's a foul. Then they work their way through their junior and local leagues and it's rife. As you said, part of their culture. Even moreso in Latin America I think.

He'd be better cutting down on it in the SPL though.

 

mate where in the world did you get that from?? he was made and formed in the U.N.A.M academy one of the most respected places in latin america and well known to form and teach good values to its people, i was there for 2 years and first thing and value they show you ever since you are a little kid is to be an honest person not only as a player but an honest human being and to say this is in our culture i find a bit an insult, they will never teach you to cheat or anything close to it here, its common to see players diving here in mexico every weekend but if you really research that is a consequence from having so many southamerican players in our football, by the way this is the first time i see him doing something like that at keast that clear .

 

Without wanting to generalize though, you must admit, that refs in Latin America, Italy and Spain at most levels will give fouls for things that would be laughed at in Scotland.

 

i agree about the ref stuff mate what i can not accept is that it is in our culture as i said earlier it would be ridiculous that an institution like where he comes from would teach him that

 

ok, maybe unfair to say it's taught, maybe better to say it's just accepted part of the game there.

Part of the football culture, as Holy Pope said. It certainly is here.

 

I dont think im wrong at all i watch alot of south American and North american footy on the net and players dive all the time , By saying its in his Culture im not talking about Pumas mate i just mean that there brought up with it encouraged at a young age to go down , its the same as in Spain ,Portugal etc more so than in England and Scotland ,
It's not a personal attack mate i love the Wee mexican and he's been outstanding for us.

 

no mate didnt take it as a personal attack at all but i can guarantee that diving is not part of our culture or that they are thought to go down if you notice this is way more common in southamerican teams or players and believe me i can tell you both sides i'm mexican l live in mexico but my dad is argentine, in england and scotland football is a bit more physical and players are usually pretty big so they can take more hits this might be why you see so many latin players go down so often

 

na he did dive but really can the scum really moan about diveing when they have mcgregor and ned fest lafferty in there team there just cluchin at straws cos they know celtic are far better TAL

 

Like it or not, it is our football culture... You can watch the Mexican league and every week you see lots of people diving, most of them were from Southamerica, but we have learned to do it as well.

Is not the institution (UNAM) that teach them, it's the Mexican football, at most levels, specially professional football.

And I'm surprised to see this is such a big deal, I watch a lot of international football, and see people diving and faking fouls all the time! I'm surprised to hear you don't have that in Scotland.

 

Media make it a big deal when it's Celtic.

 

We do mate it happens allover the world but its more in England and Scotland now due to the players from abroad , but our young players are watching likes of your Ronaldo's Drogba's Gerrard's etc and they copy them as they look up too them ,

 

agree on everything except you can't say itspartf of the culture now. You said it your self and I said it before aswell it's mostly southamerica and SOME mexican Players learned, it's just like the new way of chanting , singing in the stadiums that's not our culture most of it comes from down there and now we imitate it so you can't say it's part of culture. And again I do accept that you see it alot here in mexico . It's part of their football culture in argentina and uruguay etc

 

that sounds better mate

 

so you agree with me than mate it's like if more and more southamerican come to scotland and england and young players that look up to them start diving more and more will it be fair to say it's scotland's football culture ... On the other hand mate pablovi sadly what it is part of our culture is to imittate the bad things form foreign countries unfortunately

 

By Hook Or By Crook to win the Points!

stop greeting its part of the modern game, EJ has done enough good since he's been here to suggest he'll be a star at celtic so in my opinion he gets a pass for that one.

 

Everyone dives, Mexican players are as guilty of this as much any south american/latin american

Cuauhtemoc Blanco who is probably the biggest Mexican NT legend is one of the most prolific divers in world football

I don't like to take whole moral high ground with diving
It happens everywhere and has become part of the game

nobody likes to admit their players dive.. but they do
Reminds me of this

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When the commentator says "England never do this... are we to honest?"
lololololololololololol

As part of being more culturally accepted in Latin America
That is true. Players are praised for having "picardia" which would translate to something like craftiness (i think)

In some cases it's seen as a way of self defense against those challenges from clumsy players

was it a dive? yes
Give him a yellow and move on. all the posts about fines and suspensions are ridiculous

Probably the same people that wanted Luis Suarez kicked out of football after the ghana game

Interesting to see the take on this from a different cultural perspective tho

 

You could put together a 5 minute highlight video of Steven Gerrards dives for both club and country.. After one of them against Hungary they had Ian Wright in the BBC studio praising him for diving because other countries do it..

 

Surely much longer than 5 mins