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Should younger kids be taught about * when there is the potential for this to happen?

Eight-Year-Old Says She Lied About Being Raped

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(May 13) -- An 8-year-old girl who said she had been raped by two 10-year-old boys admitted in court today that she had lied because she didn't want her mother to know she'd been "naughty" by willingly pulling down her underpants.

In answer to a question from the judge in England's highest criminal court, the girl said she was worried that if her mother had known, she wouldn't get the candy she wanted, the U.K.'s Press Association reported.

She told a defense lawyer that the boys had exposed themselves and that she voluntarily slipped down her panties.

"Did you ever tell your mum it was not you, but it was [the boys] who took your knickers down?" she was asked by a lawyer for one of the boys, Linda Strudwick. "You didn't want your mum to think you had been naughty?"

The girl, who was hidden from view behind a screen, replied, "Yeah."

At the Old Bailey courtroom today, a filmed interview by two specially trained police officers showed the girl wiping away tears as she said the boys took her from one location to another before raping her in a field in west London.

"They said if I didn't pull down my pants" the boys wouldn't return the scooter they'd taken away from her, the jury was told.

The boys, now 10 and 11, are believed to be among the youngest ever to be charged with rape in England, where 10-year-olds can be tried as adults in criminal cases. Both boys, who sat in court with their mothers and lawyers, deny the charges of rape and attempted rape.

In deference to the age of all involved, the judge and the lawyers have dispensed with their usual wigs and gowns, and the judge even came down from his usual high bench to a lower seat.

The court sat in silence as the girl's taped testimony was played, which included explicit details but didn't mention the word "rape." Later, through a video link, she appeared in an anteroom at the court holding a juice bottle, which the judge asked her to put down so he could hear what she said.

The lawyer for the prosecution, Rosina Cottage, said the girl's mother went to the field to find her and was told that one of the boys "was hurting her."

Asked what had happened, "they all said nothing," Cottage said, although the 8-year-old later told her mother, and the police were called, according to The Times of London. The girl was later taken to the hospital with stomach pains, and scratches to the stomach were found, the court heard.

"Together they took her to different locations near where they lived in order to find a sufficiently secluded spot to assault her," Cottage told the jury, the Guardian reported. "When they did, they pulled down her pants and helped each other to penetrate her."
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* *, I honestly don't even know what to say about that. That poor wee lassie.

 

So hang on, did they have * with her or not? It would appear to me that they did.

Regardless, this has nothing to with children being more informed, children have been curious about * for generations. Difference now is that everything is sexualised, advertising, photo shoots, music videos. So we have 2 choices, dont educate them and leave them to figure out for themselves. Or educate them, so they know boundaries and are more protected from abuse as they know the difference between approproiate and inapproriate behaviour.

Either way, cases like this will happen

 

Kids are naturally curious, its all part of growing up, sadly as Angie has said society is so sexualized that they are exposed to this from a very young age. I think its actually proof that we should educate kids young, teach them the rights and wrongs. boundaries etc to prevent cases like this occurring.

This is not a case about sexual activity and more about kids knowing right from wrong. If you dont teach them what is wrong in a sexual context then how will they know?

 

Fair point. Just a * up situation there.

 

this is a really tricky case. Would the boys have known there actions were wrong? Surely a girl of 8 doesn't really understand the whole episode? I'm not really sure what to make of it but i don't think there is any need to be teaching primary schoolchildren about *. Surely that is something for the Parents to do when they see fit, after all it is their child.

Society has moved away from the days when * was private and it is plastered on everything we see these days. Many people are brought up believing * to be something to aim for without ever understanding the concept of being in a healthy relationship

As i said it is an extremely tricky case

 

The fault here is that there is not enough * education. Ignorance is the source of shame, which is why she lied about it.

 

thats ridicoulous dont no what too think

 

Primary school children should not be taught * education. It should be left to the parents to decide. It should be taught in the later years in secondary school in a biology class.

The lack of * education in British schools is not the reason why young girls get pregnant.

One of the main reasons why society is broken is that children are not taught manners, morals and respect. Another main reason is the lack of discipline.

While we are on the topic of discipline, station a police officer at every single secondary school in the country and any pupils caught bullying, causing trouble and fighting should be sent to the officer for the crime to be recorded and parents have the right to press charges. Repeat offenders should be sent to boot camp. In China, the vast majority of children are well-behaved and hold respect for others. We should be looking to China and learn from them.

I'll most likely get flamed for this. But I care for my country, I want the UK to fix its problems, not just pushed away into a corner. I was severely bullied in school from the day I started primary school until the day I left secondary school. I have every right, just like everyone else, to complain about this.

We should be looking at discipline, morals, manners and respect. This is what our schools are severely lacking.

 

I need to disagree, do our kids need more discipline, morals etc * yes, is this something that should be taught in schools? NO! My parents told me right from wrong, not my teachers, I also think that criminalising children by putting police officers in their schools is an awful idea. It is reinforcing the idea that they are bad, before they may have even done anything.

Waiting until that later years of secondary for * education is an awful idea. Most kids by then are either having *, or have been exposed to it in some way. We live in a really sexualised society, yet we get all embarrassed when it comes to talking about *. If we start open and honest conversation from a young age, then * will not be a taboo cool thing to do.

 

Tricky subject, not sure what to make of it

 

What about children who have parents that are incapable of teaching right from wrong? It is quite common. Of course parents are the ones that should teach this to children, but so should teachers.

It isn't criminalising. Police are stationed at most Chinese schools (mainly in cities) and none of the students feel criminalised, in fact they feel much safer and the parents are happier. The police are treated with respect from the schoolchildren.

Back to the topic of * education. Being more open about * will not decrease the rate of young teenagers getting pregnant and catching sexual diseases. Even being closed about the subject will not do anything either. It is the fault of the British society. I hope it can be undone.

 

In effect, resolving the broken fabric of our nation. Personally speaking, i think you are absolutely right in all honesty. Wouldn't go as far as boot camp, i must admit, but the essence of your words is bang on - and this comes from a son of two teachers, both of whom would agree entirely about the lack of discipline in schools, and the ensuing problems in the aftermath.

 

This is shocking poor wee lassie.
To pick up on a point made about young lassies getting pregnant due to lack of education I tend to agree to a point however peer pressure plays a big part. Girls boast about how far they have went with a guy (but in reality havnt) so their friends feel they have to go one step further....and voila 9 mths later however if they were more informed about * they would be able to make better choices.

Just my opinion anyway...

 

Actually you're not far off the money with the above. As a father of 3 girls all under the age of 10 I'm constantly worrying about how their social skills are developing, how they interact with people and how they project themselves. To me discipline starts at home and I've been criticised by my missus as sometimes she thinks I'm too strict with my girls but I believe very strongly that kids should show adults respect when talking to them, they should go to school to learn and not fart around playing with mobiles etc and when they're told by a teacher to be quiet and to sit down, there should not be a 10 minute debate over why they have to do it.

I'm lucky in that over here kids don't get any compulsory sexual education until they're in 2nd year and I live in a country with one of the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy in the developed world. One of the reasons young girls here don't get pregnant at 15/16 is that they know the state will not pay for them to sit on their arses and bring more * kids into the world and that the girls are switched on enough to know their lives would basically be * before they have started.

I'm not sure having a copper in every school is the correct course of action but I would punish repeat offenders harshly. They should be made to stay at home for a week in the company of an * and be given so much school work to do that they have no time to cause bother. If the work isn't done they shouldn't be allowed back in school. Far too many kids who do want to get the head down and learn suffer because of the disruptive influence of the actions of a minority. Unless parents are made to take far more responsibility for the actions of their kids, we're going to see more and more problems occur in schools, as the ability of teachers to effectively discipline kids has been completely removed from them, hence the serious decline in kids morals and behaviour. After all when you break it down, kids spend more of their waking hours in the company of teachers than with their parents!