Why is Sammy a scapegoat?

yeah defo agree mate but it is hard to watch some times

 

thats the managers job, supporters job is to support the players and team. we all get upset and annoyed but we are meant to back 11 guys on the pitch not berate them

 

Would you say it's okay for a manager to shout at a player to tidy his game up , while he stands on the touchline but it wouldn't be okay for a fan to shout the same thing ? bollocks I say if that's your thinking..

You pay your money and are entitled to react however you choose , the same applies to everyone else.. Otherwise the only people who should be going to games are the happy clappers..

 

Manager can actually coach the guy at training and sort out whats wrong, all they moaners do is ruin teh atmosphere and for players like samaras all moaning does is put his head down, you think a player can hear what individual fans constructive criticism is?

Your 100% right mate, you pay alot of money to go and watch Celtic spend money at the gorund, so if fans want to moan they can, all i am saying is, for me supporters are there to support the players, leaving the coaching and criticism to the guys we pay to do it

 

It isn't as simple as that.

A manager will not shout you get to * you big * donkey * off eli pish like that.


There is a huge difference between a manager shouting clean your game up sammy you can do it and a stadium full of fans telling him to * off.

 

I think that is spot on mate

 

Personal abuse full stop isn't acceptable so it's kind of stating the obvious that abusing Sammy isn't acceptable , but it's not the issue as far as Im concerned.. Sammy being the scapegoat is peoples problem but the reason he is getting riled is because he's usually the root cause of a move breaking down.. I don't care if fans cheer when he's subbed after he's put a header over the bar from 5 yards like he did against Hibs.. If he is so weak minded that he can't rise above criticism then he shouldn't be a professional footballer.. I also don't care if players who feel they are being singled out refuse to celebrate a goal with the fans... Just do the job that they are paid for and that will be enough for me and will likely keep the hecklers off their back...

 

Exactly my thoughts.

I reckon that if we gave him our full support he would become more consistent and therefore score more goals.

He loves the hoops and is one of the only players who plays for the shirt and makes a real effort.

 

Like Berbatov, his laid back style will be the 1st target for criticism when things arent going good or when you need more graft. Samaras does alot of running but he often undoes that with poor execution when in possession.


I think Alan Hansen sums up this type of a player

BBC Sport - Football - Alan Hansen hails the form of Man City's Carlos Tevez

The minimum requirement people have of professional footballers is fitness and using it to close down opposition players and forcing errors like is done at all the lower levels of the game.

 

this!

 

He tries though he tries harder than most of the players yet because of his style he is branded lazy.

These hecklers won't go away, even when he dose the job he is paid for these fan still jump on his back for a misplaced pass yet if someone else dose the samething they are appluaded.

Look at fortune against killie he put a header over the bar that was a carbon copy of the one sammy missed against hibs and he was applauded for it.

That is the problem the fans shouting at samaras don't really dislike him for the way he plays but they dislike him for the way he looks and acts that for me is not acceptable.

I disagree with the thread title it was put the wrong way he isn't really made a scapegoat but the sentiment is right the way he is treated by the fans in comparison to other players isn't right.

It's not about being strong minded if I were a player and was getting this amount of stick. I (subconsciously) would find it difficult to play for the fans and the club. yet the fans still expect him to do this even though they give him the amount of stick at every home game.

 

some people who have spoken on this thread have spoken about him not having determination and that but at the end of the day as strachen said... samaras had offers to stay in the premiership and clubs in germany where after him but sammy took a wage cut to sign for celtic and said he felt loved while on loan and he wudnt turn his abck on celtic when hertha berlin were heavy linked with him, he tries his heart out and took a wage cut to sign for the hoops because he felt loved, now i watch it and i feel sorry as the way hes gettin treated when other players get clapped for the same kind of things.

 

There's no doubt Sammy is a trier.. I don't know if it's down to his style but I saw in another thread someone wants Fortune out because he's a lazy *.. I don't see lazyness in either of them or many of our players but I feel they could all offer so much more if they played a pressing game and got defensive when they don't have the ball..

After the game last week and I think most people agree that Sammy did play well , Lenny said in his post match interview that Sammy was one of the players he got a reaction from and Lenny felt it was the best he's seen Samaras play..

I think there's fans that have just had enough of Sammy and want him out.. It's an ongoing thing based on his inconsistency and as others say he is continually frustrating , he's done the mouthing off about us being better than the huns and that we'd win the league (last season) and then he's been one of the culprits in failing to deliver so that probably adds to the discontent..

The Fortune header is a fair comparison in attitudes towards the two players but Sammy put the ball across for Fortune and I'd have to say the move which happenned about 45 seconds after the game kicked-off was what was being applauded and would have been more for Sammy than Fortune..
Had it been at the 65 minute mark with us playing a must win pressure game (The Hibs game) I think Fortune would have got similar treatement to Sammy..
Fortune has had to win over the fans this season.. After returing from injury he was blasting shots wide from 10 yards out , hitting them weakly when having just the keeper to beat and did get flak for it.. I think he's managed to get consistency and the fact he runs towards the oppsoitions goal as soon as he gets the ball helps.. If people feel Sammy is treated differently when he makes mistakes to how others are treated to when they make mistakes then I'd say that's definately something which isn't acceptable but when it's Mcgeady or Brown who are the root cause of a move breaking down you can still gauge a high level of discontent from fans.. I don't hear them get apllauded or simply be forgiven for a misplaced pass but maybe it's the personal abuse they are excluded from which you are syaing Sammy gets , which highlights the problem more..
Whenever Sammy gets it tight it's usually because he's to blame for poor play and that's fair when taken in isolation..

 

Samaras gets paid more in one week than I do in a year.

So If i think he is being lazy and not striving to play to his full potential, I WILL tell him to * off.

 

sammy is just no consistant :bbpd:

 

he looks as if he lacks motivation sometimes but hey another performance like last weekend and * no longer be a scapegoat:icon_mrgreen:

 

I think big Sammy deserves more credit than he gets. The boy tries and has a ton of skill which people forget because he has a frustrating streak. I think people also forget he is still relatively young aswell.

I watched the Man Utd v Bayern game last week and the Bayern fans got right behind their team for the whole game and that included when their players missed opportunities. They applauded the effort and continued singing. Thats the main issue for me. It doesn't take a genius to see Samaras is a confidence player, the supporters contribute hugely to that and could do a lot to help him out when he needs it.

 

Samaras is a scapegoat because basically he is a frustrating * of a player.

We can all see that Samaras has talent. In flashes he can be brilliant. But he has a knack of doing something inspirational one moment then playing like a clown two minutes later. I think that's why people get fed up with him. That's why I get fed up with him anyway.

 

scapedonkey...

hope he plays good again tomorrow... or today, wherever you might be

 

Would it not make more sense to support him instead of shouting and balling.