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Selfish Desmond?

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Paul67, Feb 13, 2010.

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  1. Rossenspeil

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    The guy has ploughed in millions of his own cash and wont get a bad word said against him from me.

    The grief this man gets is shocking, all the thanks he gets for ploughing in a fortune and under-writing Lennoxtown is 'gies mare money!'. :rolleyes:

    None of this current mess can be blamed on the money-men for me, they have backed the manager with cash in the summer and in January.

    People on here laughed at the thought of Keane coming here on loan yet they pulled it out the bag.

    The manager and the team must shoulder the blame, its not good enough.
     
  2. CH4 Gold Member Gold Member

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    mmmm? hearts game is a big game,a crisp clear night, i even got up from Newcastle! midweeks games are a killer for me,will be surprised if keane puts bums on seats,, results will in my opinion
     
  3. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    * are you talking about?
     
  4. AmericanCelt

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    I think when it came to the signing of Keane, Desmond was a little selfish - it was something that he'd wanted to happen for a long time, so he made it happen himself. However, as you said, the wages could have been spent elsewhere, but it's not so bad having Robbie here, I love it actually.
     
  5. Paul67 Administrator Administrator

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    I don't think anybody is questioning the amount of money put into the club by Desmond, certainly not me. My question was, is he behind signings like Keane for personal pleasure, rather than the interests of the club.

    (There's nobody more pleased than me that Keane is here, because we don't often see players of his ability up here.)

    Why though didn't he put his money into the Kilgallon signing for example? A signing that might just have been the difference in us sitting within touching distance of the huns tonight?

    I can only think it's for personal pleasure and not that of the best interests of the club, considering he apparently was not on the managers wishlist for players.

    We failed in 2 attempts to bring in "big" central defenders, yet succeed in a signing, albeit a loan, that Desmond goes after.

    I don't go for this "he'll bring the crowd back", getting points in the bag and winning a league would bring the crowd back.
     
  6. Rossenspeil

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    Does anyone have any proof the Keane move was Desmonds idea?
     
  7. leeso-ardoyne

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    Give your head a shake FFS
     
  8. Crusader

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    How long will it take before people realise that Celtic to Desmond Tutu is no more than another business acquisition to add the many others he owns. Officially he only owns 49 % of the club, anybody who believes that is deluded he owns Celtic alright with many hidden shares happens in every large business in the world but if he officially doesn’t own it he can never be held responsible for any debt it may incur. We must be the only football club in the world owned by a billionaire who has no interest in investing in it, he’ll boast it cost him £4,000,000 a year to run Celtic ( minus whatever he pulls in dividends from his official shares ) . I say he could never have bought the publicity he has received since joining the club for £4,000,000 a year, how many people had ever heard of him ( or David Murray ) before he bought into Celtic ?. It’s only the prospect of more empty seats this season and less people renewing/buying next seasons tickets that have forced them to bring R.K.. This board lacks any real ambition they’re attitude was as long as we beat them the Celtic family would be happy. They have stood idly by for the last few years and watched our team go backwards at an alarming rate, either that or every team in the spl have improved dramatically over that period. I fear for us long term, as i watch “ them” regularly on sky and espn and when i say they are *, i apologise to every * in the world, but the sad truth is we’re even worse than them !.
     
  9. Brendan Hughes

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    Desomond does this for his own * pockets, He thinks Keane will put bums on seats but sorry desmond but as things stand I wont be renewing next year, dont have the money to spare and even if I did cant be bothered watching that pish again, Mowbray get to * and then If I do have spare cash I might consider it
     
  10. CelticFC1967

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    the Keane deal will only cost Celtic around 1.6mil for 6 months

    Add that to the 1.5 mil spent on rasmussen, 1.8mil spent on Hooiveld, 2.1 mil spent on Ki, Rogne 1/4 mil and, at a guess, around 1mil on the wages of Braafheid and Kamara and we spent around 8.25mil, which has fooled many fans and looks good on paper. If, however, you compare our expenditure with the money brought in there is very little money spent, with any outlay over the monies brought in covered by increased ticket sales/ merchandise by fans who have been fooled

    1.5mil for Robson, Killen and Flood, 3.5mil for McDonald, 0.5mil for McManus loan, 0.5mil for Caldwell, 2mil for Fox which means we have recieved 8mil in fees and therefore have only really spent, in my estimations, 250,000 - easily recouped from 5000 more fans per week and increased shirt sales etc.

    Money really should have been spent on a centre-back
     
  11. emmetf

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    ^^^ this
    why are the hoops playing like pish? we're seeing it turn into a corporation before our eyes

    anybody from here in canada will know that is known as the "Toronto Maple Leaf" effect, where management from a very popular team does dumb * nad plays like * but they still make money by selling out games

    so, the formula

    1.Dumb *
    2.???
    3.Profit
     
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    Shame we couldn't have found the extra cash last january & bought Fletcher from Hibs, pretty sure we would have won the league with him on board.
    Fletcher ended up costing around double what we'll be paying Keane in wages for six months, all in the past now, but it still frustrates me.

    I'm trying to keep the faith, but Tony & the team are making it very hard to be a Celt at the moment, really looking for some heart, fight & pride from the players, butcan't see too much evidence of it just now.
     
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    Does anyone actually know what the net spending is I reckon it won't be much considering the players that have left. I would be really disappointed if we gave up on ramis because the funds were spent on keane
     
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    Before we signed him, I doubt there would be 1 person on here who would have not wanted Keane signed. Now, when the real problem of the team is becoming even more apparent, DD and the board are getting it in the neck. Absolutely unbelievable.

    There's hardly a Manager in Britain who would turn down the chance to have Keane in their squad.

    The truth is that the Manager has had 2 windows to sort out the mess that is our defence. He's been backed with hard cash but has chosen to invest it elsewhere. That is not the fault of either DD or the board.

    I can only hope that Hooiveld is the type of player we need. Otherwise Mowbrays * will be out the window.
     
  15. Brendan Hughes

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    Nobody is saying we dont want Keane, We just want a decent manager that that cna bring ut the best in all our players including Keane.

    Hooiveld I think hasnt had a great start, I never have rated him before since Livi gave him the boot fo rno being good enough
     
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    .http://www.kerydalestreet.com/page/dermot+desmond Think i posted this link before but its from 2008. Desmond is 1 of the shrwedest business men around but i do think that d robbie keane signing was a marketing ploy and do think that he and other backers to the club could invest more money for tranfers because when you look at it they sold to buy not that im complaining about who we signed but a lot of loan signing which is not the long term solution we need.

    But if he was putting us millions of pounds into death then he would getting the same grief on here, so hes in a no win sittuation.

    But overall i am happy with desmond as majority shareholder and some say hes in it for the money if you ask me he cant be making much or even any money from Celtic Fc and its good to know that he wouldnt sell his shares to anyone.

    (sorry fro the sentences underlined for some reason couldnt get the lines of)


     
  17. SixtySeven

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    So what's with all the 'bums on seats' and 'DD's signing' talk then?

    He was signed to improve the squad, nothing else. Can you imagine the reaction of the support had DD offered Keane to Mowbray and he turned him down?

    The problems in our team are not down to DD or anyone else signing Keane. The problems are down to our Manager not addressing the same problem that we've had for the past 3 seasons.

    Personally, I'd rather we had signed a really top quality CH rather than Keane, and that's not with the benefit of hindsight. But we really need to quit any whining about Keane signing. It might be a long time before we can sign someone like him again.

    I'll say it again. The board have backed Mowbray with hard cash, they're not the problem now.
     
  18. Skydiver

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    The board may well have backed TM with hard cash, but if the product is not available you cannot buy it. Keane is here because he does want to be, as do the other signings loan or not. However all these CB's we were linked to did not come for various reasons, some of which we will never fully understand so it is unfair to 'blame' anybody.

    Let's say the board and Dermot Desmond inform TM that he can have 6 million for a CB, he could identify three or four targets and end up with none and it could have nothing to do with just the transfer fee. I think we need to wake up and accept Rome was not built in a day. WGS struggled in all his time at Celtic to find a LB and he never really did.