Do we keep playing loan bhoys if the title is lost?

I had the exact same feeling mate, i actually felt a bit optimistic for the first time in months, then wen that final whistle went, i just couldnt believe it, thats when i knew the league was over, one minute ur in a high, next ur in a low, such a gutter.

 

Its tough as * on everyone of us..but R Keane is in my opinion is a fantastic bit of business for the fans and club.OK results are shocking and have been all season this is down to TM as a reckless manager and not fit for the Celtic job this will sort itself out..but enjoy Mr Keane while we have him at least that's a positive wee bonus if nothing else happens.

 

so your saying its keans fault we lost at killie and stayed 10 behind? get a grip ffs he has been here 2 feckin mins and were moanin. he is a great signing,just enjoy him here ffs.

 

Read the thread. Noone is blaming anyone other than maybe the management/board. The point being made is that he was singed as a short term last throw of the dice to win the league and that may well be gone within 90 minutes of his arrival (I blame the results on Lawell and Mogga BTW). So, what do we do in a months time if we have all these games left with the league blown. Do we continue to play Keane for the show of seeing a great player or do we concentrate on blending players who will be here next year. Its a genuine question. We are very close to that position already and only seriously heavy dozes of optimism is fending off that conclusion now. I personally think that as soon as the hope that the league is over becomes stupidly remote then we have to concentrate on forming the team for next year. I think if we are still 10 poins behind after the old firm game then only a reality denier would say we are still realitically in it. I think realistically it would take Rangers a minimum of 5 games to lose 10 points even if they were in bad form. So for me the cut off has to be the OF game (before that if the gap widens) and we have to pick a point at which to focus on next season. That is when the issue of what to do with Keane comes in. That moment could come be some time off yet but we are on a knife edge and the moment could equally come in the next fortnight.

 

If Keane scores goals and we make him feel like a * then why would he not want to stay?

He is playing for boyhood heroes and even if we don't get CL this season we will at some point if he stays.

Its down to how he feels about playing for the club and its down to us to make him feel like this is the place for him.

 

ok why just the loan signing of keane? what about kamara,braafhied,n`guemo then? you cant just mention keane and not these others . keane signing is fantastic and its gave us all a lift,yes he may well had been brought in to win the league?but also to get the fans back to cp also.we are 10 behind that mob cause we arent playing well where they are.i dont think we will get the league but if it means us being stronger next season and going on a run of trophy after trophy? then * it ill take it,wont be happy about losing the league this year but what can you do. just enjoy finally having robbie keane playing for celtic mate, i know i will.

 

I think Keane playing for Celtic is a great boost for the SPL and the club needs to play its best players - 2nd spot isn't a guarantee

 

my *. Its like its a touchy subject that you are really not allowed to talk about. Can people not see there is an issue of what to do about team selection and Keane when/if the league hopes fade away to nothing (and we are very near that point). I am taking about the need to concentrate on building a team for next season with players who realistically will be here next season.

I think there is a lot of denial about the likelihood of Keane being signed on a perm. Spurs will want the market value they can get for him and that market value is what other EPL teams will pay for him. If someone in the EPL bids 8 million then Spurs wont let him join us for say 5 million even if Robbie really wants to join us. Then there is his wages which would come to 10 milion+ for a three year contract. Can you see Lawell shelling out 18 million for one player whose sell on value will be very little (he will be 33 by then).

 

some really good points but how often do we get a chance to see a guy who scores goals for fun in top division lets think positive get right behind them and have a go gers are wanting a white flag lets go for it..........

 

He is not a Bosman. Its got nothing to do with Keane wanting to stay (I think he probably does want to stay). Its about MONEY and SPURS. Spurs will only let him go to us if we match what EPL teams would pay for him. How much would thay be? I dont know but I still heard figures of about 8 or 9 million being thrown around.

 

The other loan signings have been commented on by me and others. The difference is that Keane is his value is beyond our means so he really is just for this season while the others are likely going to cost far less in fees and wages so they realistically may be here next season. That is the difference. Personally I think Kamara looks too like Fortune and Sammy so I would question that too.

 

OK I am with that as long as it remains realistic. We need to win the next 4 though or I would concede the league.

 

Fair enough Alsy. Eveyone feels different about stuff. I would get limited joy from seeing a great player in meaningless games although I would admit it would be great to see him in the OF games. Even I am not that much of a miserable *

 

n'guemo we have an option to buy for 1.5
kamara we have an option to buy
braafheid will prob be available for a couple of million
keane was reported to be joining sunderland for 9 million on monday morning and we got him on loan when that broke down.

therefore the reason that this is about keane is that if we decide to pursue the other 3 we can probably afford it whereas where are we going to get 9 million from?

 

I know its not a bosman, never said it was.

 

Well Gunt,

First dont take what I say personal, your background and beliefs arent in question. I dont know you but I do notice you become very vocal of your criticism of Irish players. I have the same view as you about O' Dea and McGeady but I dont feel the need to chime in on every thread to try and ground people's opinion. I dont know what your motivation for repeating yourself is but I tend just to say my opinion once and leave it at that.

You call Keane unaffordable, yet he is on our books and we are paying all the wages.

Playing Kamara & Keane without them getting a proper nights sleep or a decent days training was a risk by Mowbray that backfired. Most players are benched until they have a few days. Kamara was probably unpacking most of the day as Braafheid flew back to Germany to get his stuff together.

Who's to blame for the Killmarnock disaster, Mowbray not Keane or any of the loan signings. Expecting the loan signing to integrate within 24 hours of greeting the media and fans is just wrong. You know that.

Bellamy was a loan signing, very very similar circumstances to Keane i think you'll agree but did you think he was a waste of time and money? He kept a faltering Celtic going for longer than it would have. At least he got half a season to demonstrate his abilities, Keane got less than a day before you have sealed his faith.

What Keane cost in wages will be compensated by higher attendances and merchandise sales. I reckon his actual cost to be nothing more than the highest earners at Celtic when the season closes.

Have a fee agreed with some clubs for some loan signings doesnt mean that they will sign and not having a fee agreed doesnt mean that one cant be done in 6 months time. Having a fee agreed doesnt mean that the player will agree terms either

If this season fails it wont be because of the loan signings, it will be because of Mowbray and his desire to do open heart surgery on a team that only needed an indigestion tablet.

 

aye a good post this.

 

First and foremost the league (and a cup) isn't over.

Secondly would I rather have Fortune and Rasmussen up front or Fortune and Keane? I think we all know the answer that Keane is many orders of magnitude better than Rasmussen as an individual player, in fact I'd like to see them feature in the same team. It's down to Mowbray to find the best balance.

Lastly there have been numerous independent commentators stating that the Keane deal if the oft quoted 65k/week + £1m up front is true, will pay for itself, if not more so. If an average attendance in the 40k's can rise to 60k for the next 20 games then that is not only a huge financial boon, but makes for a better atmosphere and feeling at Celtic Park. In theory making us tougher to beat.

With that in mind even if we make a small financial loss (which at worst it is), you must consider shirt sales and global marketing, and then other factors like I mentioned, better feeling amongst the support which is difficult to put a price on.

It's also a given in football that playing with better players makes YOU a better player. Josh Thompson, Rogne, Misun, O'Dea(?), etc will become better players because of this deal.

If we were to assume that the Keane deal pays for itself then we are better with Keane at the club than not.

I'm just gutted that we are so far behind with a player like Keane in our side.

 

I'm pretty sure that both Keane and Redknapp can be quoted as saying that Keane's stay will be constrained to this loan spell.

 

We were 10 points behind before he joined and still are, the league may be lost it may not so you can't say it's backfiring after 1 game, less than 24 hours after he was signed, sealed and delivered.

The increase in merchandising and ticket sales will cover some of his wages, but the added benefit is the publicity, last week you'd be lucky to get a paragraph about Celtic in the Irish press, this weeks even the broadsheets have been full of us.

So no, I disagree, I don't think you can say it's backfiring after just one game. I'm disappointed that 4 first team players are only on loan as there is a possibility we'll have none of them next year but you can't just say the Keane loan is backfiring.