Caldwell sold against Mowbray's wishes?

I thought American sports fans were the worst knee-jerkers ever...

Gary was a good player for Celtic, though, admittedly, his form had nosedived in the last six months. He simply thought he was worth a certain price and found someone willing to get in the ballpark.

To all those who wanted him gone: he's gone. Why keep dwelling on it?

 

correct time to draw a line under it , he was decent, no more ,wanted more money as it probs last contract ,we wouldnt match wot he was asking hence the stalemate ,if mogga really valued him that high then he woulda spoke to the board ,look wot he is saying about mcgeady to the media thats when you now you are valued, anyways we got money for him which is quite rare for celtic nowadays.

 

I believe Mowbray was forced to sell Caldewell....Because he is Dyer.

 

If you're looking for clarity on what Mowbray wishes, have a look at this link.

BBC Sport - Celtic's Aiden McGeady not for sale - Tony Mowbray

 

Gawd, look at all the jealous people slating Caldwell because he wanted what he felt he was worth. Recession has made people bitter and jealous of footballers all over again.

You'd all do the same if in Caldwell's position, an idiot would stay at a club that undervalues you even if its your favourite club in the whole wide world. Would you really stay at Celtic, knowing that they dont think that much of you and you can get what you feel you are worth somewhere else.

Hands up who would have signed the contract that Celtic were offering. I wouldn't have, I wouldnt let the bureaucrats balance their books at my expense and I dont think anyone else in Caldwells position would let them either.

The fact that Caldwell came from another SPL club is what restricted him getting the same wages as other players. If he came from a club outside of Scotland he would have been on a higher pay scale, something wrong there.

Caldwell has gotten what he felt he was worth so he was right to hold out, 4.5 year contract too. Celtic have shown that their pay structure is flawed and they've handled this whole affair poorly.

Hooiveld better be good....

 

On the other hand it might be nothing to do with jealousy

A lot of people think they're worth more than they're paid. Ever met anyone like that? Doesn't mean they're worth it because they say they are.

SPL wages are influenced by TV money, as are EPL wages. There's something way wrong with the money the EPL pays, as Man u and Liverpool's debt will confirm, as can millions of ordinary football fans. That's an unsustainable market, eventually.

Caldwell is another prospective millionaire in an over-inflated market. Says nothing about his ability or what he's worth outside of that market. My own view is that he's worth nothing like what Wigan (Wigan ) are paying him.

So he's won a big watch. Good for him

Also, their pay structure may be flawed but Portsmouth, West Ham, Rankgers etc - Celtic are none of these. Excessive wages, like Caldwell's are transient

 

Man United's debt is nothing to do with the players and wages, they were a debt free PLC that churned out huge profits until the Glazers took control and wrote off the entire personal debt incurred from buying Man United against the club.

Gilette and Hick show what happens to a club in control of businessmen that dont have a clue how to manage a football club.

Would you turn down a double your money contract? Or let bureaucrats walk on you?

You are being very idealistic and taking the high road.

Caldwell doesnt really care that he's getting far more than the average man, he has a skillset and people are willing to pay him 25k a week for the next 4.5 years, thats what will matter to him and his family. If I was in his position I'd do exactly that same thing and anyone that would stay at a club that tried the stunt that Celtic tried needs there head checked.

Dont hate the player, hate the game!

If I could double my salary, improve my standard of living and my family's by moving country I'd be on a plane before you could say "Show me the money!".

 

You made two points in your first post

1, That people are jealous of Caldwell. Way too big a generalisation. The market pays for the skillset, but it's an over-inflated and, in the end, unsustainable market. Caldwell's just a beneficiary of that market. As I've said, good luck to him There are a number of us who understand family commitments and hae neither the player or the game

ManU, Liverpool, West Ham, Pompey are all examples of how being in an over-inflated market leads to dangerous, even deadly, waters. And that relates to your second point.

2, That Celtic are handling their finances poorly

We've spent roughly £10m on players since Mowbray came in. And still relatively debt-free. Given the size of the League we are in - and whilst others around us are failing this is evidence of a well managed financial outfit,
Don't you think?


Personally, I would prefer realistic, rather than idealistic

 

1. I dont think Caldwell gives a * that he's playing a league that paying over the odds for players. That doesnt really matter, the fact that several clubs in England are on a high risk financial model doesnt matter to his transfer. You are talking about things that dont really matter to a player.

Clubs running themselves into trouble doesnt bother players unless they aren't getting paid because of it. Again, your thinking is detached from reality.

Celtic havent given him his demands because they are penny pinching. I'll wait to see Hooiveld play a few games and we'll see if Celtic have gotten their wish, the same level of player for cheaper.

2.How many points are we behind in the league to a club that hasnt bought a player in 18 months? Who won the league last year? Who played UCL football this season? Who failed to pass the Europa League group stage?

Debt free isnt the be all and end all of a football club and it doesnt excuse the answers to the above questions.

 

I agree with Dempsey. Think about it, what else is Gary Caldwell gonna win in his life. He's won everything there is to win in Scotland and been to the round of 16 in CL twice. His career is only so long and he just wants to make sure of making good on his talent. We can say he wasn't worth the money, but he was. Wigan paid him. That's why he's gone. No other reason.

 

I personally would have signed that contract you were talking about Dempsey. Money isn't everything in football, playing for a club you love means more to me.
Caldwell wants a wage rise becuase he thinks he is worth it,I personally think he is but the majority of the fans disagree.

Again though I would sign the contract, it's not as if it's pennies - maybe just me but playing for the shirt means much much more.

 

Do yourself a favour

Pick that Metro paper back up, read beyond the headlines and look at what the guy actually said.

 

Agree with every word

 

Yea but would you if Celtic didnt think that much of you, I wouldnt be happy with Celtic trying to treat me as a * when you played regularly every season, regularly wore the captains armband, won individual honours whilst at Celtic. I'd expect better treatment and if that wasnt coming my way, I'd look for a club that would treat me well

Money isnt everything but being a club you love but they not care if you come or go wouldnt satisfy me either. I wouldnt sacrifice a career to warm Celtic's bench. If they dont want you, not willing to pay the rate you can get elsewhere, then you have to consider alternative employment.

People have this fairytale notion that if they were a pro footballer they would play for Celtic for ever and ever. If you were a Ryan Conroy or Willo Flood, would you try to stay at Celtic all your career ignoring all possibilities of forging a decent career for yourself elsewhere?

Loyalty is a good trait but it works both ways and I dont think Celtic showed enough respect towards a player thats been integral to winning several domestic trophies and european success that has helped Celtic get to debt free status. Celtic were too quick to forget that and hardballed him in negotiations. He knew his value and he was right.

Whether Celtic did the right thing remains to be seen.

 

so true !!

 

most fans agree he is not worth 20k p/w
if we were way ahead of the worst huns team for years and caldwell
was m.o.m. every week and not making schoolboy errors we may be more
sympathetic to his demands.
good luck to him for getting his deal with middlesborough sorry i mean
wigan,what was that about loyalty!

 

when all is said and done on here, will he make it down there, money yes, but on ability, never says me, and i thing the whole celtic family will agree, hoped to be proved wrong, but cant see that lol

 

Show me a Celtic player that hasnt made a schoolboy error? Show me a Celtic player that hasnt had a bad game? I can point out several players that had as much flak as Caldwell yet they earn multiples of what Caldwell did. Where is the * about what they earn or want to earn?

He's getting more than that now, someone thought he was worth it. A business, a football club, a man who is being paid to run a football team in the arguably the best league in the world thinks that he is worth it.

Most fans dont look at things objectively and certainly Caldwell is being made a scapegoat for everything wrong with our defence. Oh I wonder if he'll still be blamed when the problems havent suddenly disappeared with him.

I'm sure he'll be happy playing in a better league, earning what he knows he's worth despite the protests of bitter and jealous Celtic fans jamming internet forums claiming that he's not worth this and that (yet he got a 4.5 year contract on said amount) that have been jumping on all his mistakes whilst ignoring all other problems and mistakes of players and manager.

 

still say he will not make it, and he will not finish his contract

 

Define "make it"?

Alot of contracts at the highest level dont get finished anyways, they get renewed before they expire or the player is transferred.