time for mowbray to go? [Threads Merged]

Very succinctly put

 

Mowbray's got to go, the jobs, the club and the task is too big for him.
for those on here that say it's the teams fault and they're his players, think about this, he works with them all week, and it's now november and he still doesn't know his best team

 

Would have to agree with most of you lot on here, i for 1 have never been a a fan tbh, during pre-season and the first couple of games i thought we looked gd but i cannot beleive what im seeing these days its sheer
embarrassment.

Watching TM at Celtic just now was like watching Burley with Scotland, so the best thing to do is get a new manager in before Jan before the Huns steal a march on us!

 

This is a result of the club buying substandard players for a period of time and the best of around scotland non these players (bar maybe one or two) have the correct attitude to play with celtic whether or not the club has the spending power of the past we are still a big club within the SPL. We can easily outspend these clubs being honest we should be producing better youngsters than these clubs on average but we dont.
The current state of the club is down to a series of mismanagement at many levels of the club, the youth as mentioned above they came out last year like it was some kind of revelation to buy young players with potential and try to breed good players at grass roots level, ehh should we not have been doing this anyway everyone else does!
We have had a transfer policy under Gordon Strachen that involved cutting wages constantly which at first had to be done but i think go to be an addiction of the penny pinching board. The coaches at the club and the managers have failed to get the best from some players who have shown they have quality elsewhere and failed to sort out a shocking junior level defence.
Plus its fair saying we were almost out of debt etc but most football clubs in fact nearly them all run in a level of debt.
Being honest the board will not get rid of mowberry unless he * them off because it cost them a substantial fee to get him.

 

Allowing a manager to spend money in jan to basically buy the league would be a cop out and isnt a sign of good management.

 

This is a silly thing to say.

So your saying Jansen shouldn't have improved our squad to stop the 10? shouldn't have MON spent money to bring back trophies to our club?

Do you think Alex Ferguson could win the EPL with Stokes squad then ?

 

If we were up against any other Rangers team other than the one of the last year we would be dead and buried already, probably about 10 points adrift.

 

I think if we do get rid, I wouldn't mind Levein coming in. The amount of times that man has made changes and changed the game in just one half or the last 20minutes... I'd rather have Gomis and Bauben than our CM's as well. Least they actually try and shoot from distance

 

I think Mowbray deserves atleast a season especially if he can sign some more players in january. He Knows fine well how bad our defence is and he will be looking to change I dont blame him for giving those guys a chance to start with I mean Caldwell was poty last season and hes pish Mcmanus was captain and we had really just signed loovens. He cant come in get rid of the three of them without giving them a chance. Against Dundee Utd any decent defender should have dealt with those set pieces a manager should not be responsibe for there lack of abilty unfortunatley there are no other options until january. The same can be mentioned about our Forwards Mcdonald was our top scorer we had just given Samaras a contract and both have had chances created for them this year they dont deserve to wear the jersey. Anyhoo I just feel If we get rid of mowbray we are going do a slippery road.

 

This may already have been said but Mowbray will be hear for a good while yet regardless of how we do because the board would have to pay up his contract if they sacked him.

 

He's on a one year rolling contract, so no matter if they decided to sack him tomorrow, or the end of the season or 2 years down the road, the compensation would be the same so I don't think that will have an influence on the boards decision. However, the cost of replacing him will have an influence on thier decision.

 

cut our losses now, he wont get us 2nd place in the league, Barnes was much better, if he hadnt have lost henke through injury then he may have lasted longer, TM is a dead man walking...bye

 

If any manager (owen coyle, martinez, mark mcgee) had the same start as mowbray had, we'd be shoutin the exact same things! It's Totally understandable to be frustrated, we're playing * but we've gotta give mowbray a season.

 

If the Guy is for the boot? when do you think it will happen?

me thinks the 4th jan 2010 if things go against him

 

I worry that the idea of a Janiuary bale out will simply mask the real issue that Mowbray is not the right sort of manager for Celtic. After all a big cash injection any time in the last couple of years would have seen us in cruise control.

I cant see a single good attribute at present be it tactics, passion, results, style, man management or eye for a player. I think everyone took far too much jollys from the pre-season and first few games when he gave the impression of ticking some of the boxes. Now I do not see that he ticks any of the boxes for certain. He seems pretty crap in terms of most of the above list so for me the only thing that may save him is if he really does prove to have an eye for a player in January, The evidence is not pointing especially that way at the moment but its the last hope for him I think. However, will that just be throwing money to paper over the cracks?

 

It could well be before then. I would imagine the board already are looking at their options, and have a contingency plan in place. It is a myth to say it would be too costly to dispense with Mowbray's services as he is on a rolling contract, which could be severed anytime on re- appraisal.

It would be too costly to keep in place a manager who looks like losing the league, and with it £20M Champions League's receipts at the end of the day possibly.

 

He goes on about his plan & the need to se us through 3-5 transfer windows - he's joking if he thinks ANYONE would get that amount of time without results.

His ideology reminds me of PLG at Rangers & we all know how long he got...strange that both managers seem to have been undermined by a collection of poisonous overfed spoilt wee * within though.

I can't make my mind up about him tbh, so I'll support him - he deserves to last till the end of the season imo.

How much would Dan Petrescu cost?

 

For me Mowbray seemed to have generated a bit of zip and movement for us going forward in the early games and we had a few games there where we got good results playing some enjoyable attacking football. But things have come off the rails very quickly sadly.

To be fair to Mowbray this isn't really his team given he has only made 3 real signings. I don't include Thomson as anything different then the many young kids we have signed in recent years. N'Guemo looks decent. Fox looks ok. Fortune sadly looks poor. But certainly for the most part this is not his team.

Having said that this is basically the team that for all it's faults has been clearly the best team in the spl the last few years. Yet here we are probably 4 points behind the huns after just 12 games. Out of the league cup and basically out of Europe after our worst European campaign in a decade. I think when you add up all games he is only 9-8 with 5 draws and when you look at the schedule that is shockingly bad. Our center backs while never the greatest are a disaster and the forwards not far behind them.

In short while I am fully behind Mowbray and believe he deserves the chance to mould a team of his own making the early signs do not look good at all. For me he should get a full season and I have a suspicion he will get things turned around yet. But it does have to be said he is running out ot time and wiggle room so bad has our first third of the season been.