Bye Bye Mogga

To suggest we've gone backwards from last year is nothing more than a lie. We are just as bad as last year largely with the same batch of players - hence, the players are the problem. Mowbray cannot be at fault for inheriting a squad so massivley lacking in quality, nor can he be expected to rebuild an entire team in one transfer window with the limited funding we have.

Frankly, I think the supporters gave themselves unreasonable expectations that last years hatched job was a simple fix. It isn't.

 

exactly; i'm sick to death of hearing people rip into mogga even after wins! sure today was an awful performance and yet we almost won; some people have to get their heads round the fact that there wont be world class stars like Larsson, Lubo and Naka coming to the SPL simply because the standard is so * and anyone who thinks mogga should be sacked is stupid;

so your big plan to sort celtic is to sack the manger and all his staff, bearing in mind theyll have to pay massive compenastion, a month before the January transfer window!? and then moan when theres no money for new players? get these guys on the celtic board they obviously know how to run a football club!!!

it'll take time for mogga to rebuild the squad and we need to give him time!

 

The table position and poor Rangers team will likely mean we are not going to get out of touch this side of Xmas. Then there is also the bog severance money (ir is it a rolling contract?). So, I think Mowbray is safe enough until the next OF game and window. However, that will be his crunch time. If after slagging most of the players it transpires we do not get in at least a couple of quality first pick signings in the window, he will have been shown to be really niave and ill judged in when he opens his mouth. If he loses the next OF match too then he will be under immesnse pressure.

Personally, I think only a big cash injection of the like the board would not give WGS in the last 2 years is all that will save Mowbray because he is clearly not one of these managers who can take a bunch of players and make them far better. Some managers really can do that but he clearly isnt one. Sad thing is that cash injection should have taken place immediatley after 3 in a row when it was clear we needed 3 or 4 new first pick players. Not doing it then cost us 4 in a row and a manager.

 

I consider myself fairly optimistic when it come to all things Celtic and backing the managers, but it's getting harder and harder, game by game, to see this wonderful "end game" promised by Mowbray.

I can understand Mowbray's hard line public view about the players, but sometimes even correct decisions on paper just don't execute well, and it feels like there IS and undercurrent of losing the dressing room/upsetting the applecart, whatever you want to call it, going on.

The players look shot to pieces with zero confidence and are NOT working for each other off the ball. But which come first, the chicken (players working for the manager to win his respect) or the egg (manager prasing the players to give them confidence to make them play.)

Logic tells me the chicken, but I am also backing myself into an analogy that I have no idea what it means anymore so I'll back away quietly and just wish Tony all the best

 

forget the past, forget the past season starts, this season the huns are *, and the spl is gettin worse, lets face it celtic shud have won all games except the rangers game, its not happened, and its down to poor management

 

give him time he is still playing with half that * strachans teams

 

People saying the team has gone backwards are quite wrong..........last time we were top of the table with Strachan and played the bottom club, we drew as well............at least we scored yesterday

 

Nice first post.
That '*' Strachan's team would have skelped Falkirk no bother.
Mowbray signed Fortune, he did * all.
Mowbray left Skippy, who was in fact signed by 'that * Strachan', on the bench and when he came on he gave us a lift with two goals.

I cringed when we signed Mogga. As a former defender he doesn't seem to know what it takes to build a good defence. Our defence has been the biggest problem we have since Mogga came.

 

There are players in that squad that want Mowbray sacked.

 

We cant keep kidding ourselfs on, because were top of the league everything is fine, infact thats so far from the truth, were at the top of the league because rangers have a game in hand and they are just as shambolic as us, both rangers and celtic will finnish the league with a record low of poiints.
We have been bad for months now, its not just the 1 game, its all season. Even his signings im not convinced with, fotune isnt a player, and any1 who thinks he is obviousley hasnt seen him play, nguemo played well in his 1st game then hasnt played anywhere near as good, he looses the ball more than any1 else in the team and is too lightweight. Fox has a good left peg but offers nothing in defence.
But its not only that, he simply isnt getting the best out of the players, mcgeady, mcdonald, caldwell, brown, mcmanus, robson etc have all went backwards at an alarming pace. The guy has to be relieved of his duties at once.

 

mowbray is here for at least 1 season, fans need to get that in their head ASAP.

im not happy with some of the performances celtic have been putting out, but the manager can only take so much of the blame. he isnt the one playing on the park. you just cant magically wave a wand overnight and these players become world beaters.

il admit, that when we have a good game, we are brilliant. keeping the ball on the ground, all our passes connecting, creating chances, but yesterday was abysmal, and im pretty sure the players are to blame for that. half of them didnt seem interested, as if it was "ach its only falkirk, their bottom of the league, we should be able to walk round these guys no bother". - can anybody dis-agree with me otherwise? that celtic team yesterday were like statues, there was no movement anywhere at all, nobody would take responsibility and tell everyone to get the finger out.

and the reason why mowbray is always in the dugout with his head in his heads after these sort of performances isnt because he's not interested; its because he's embaressed and frustrated at what his team are doing.

 

Sick of hearing all this "its Strachans team" pish, you should still be able to get a performance against a team who haven't won a game all season and had only scored 2 goals at home, pish management IMO.

 

Hmm, how does that work mate? Seriously please explain this to me as I cannot work out their logic.

The players are not performing, i.e. they are personally not playing well, they are possibly not making an effort or have other issues. So their logic is not to try harder, it is to shift the blame to the manager and sack him?

Honestly some players have the audacity to pull on the hoops and take the money, then make total fools of themselves, the fans and management by playing substandard football and they are not even big enough to pull their socks up and improve, no they blame the manager

 

I dont like blaming a new manager, its better to give them time, but ultimately after yesterdays first half performance Im starting to lose interest in even watching football games and thats never good, we were worse than shocking.. no player had a clue what they were supposed to be doing, caldwell never completed one pass from defence, there was no dig in the midfield, absolutely no team cohesion, no apparent plan whatsoever, no confidence, they had registered 8 shots on goal to our zero. Ive seen better performances at pollock united and that is not an exaggeration, so if it continues in that vein he has to go or the fans will vote with there feet. At the end of the day, maybe the fans need to let the board know its not good enough, they seem to be happy with a safe, nice wee return and assume we will all just turn up, pay our money and watch * week in week out. They will slag of Rangers and there financial plight, well how stupid are they going to look of they continually lose to them season after season and let them gain ground because they wanted a nice bank balance.. Mowbry was right, we need to invest in assets that can eventually make you money, to do that we need to be in the champions league, the only thing is, I wouldnt give him the money to spend if he thinks 3.8 million on fortune is good business.

 

Im pretty sure the only person in the whole playing squad who hasnt taken some responsability or blame for the performances this season so far is the manager himself. The players have on countless times this season at press conferences stated that they are not performing. Managers are supposed to be man managers, attitude consultants and the person who is supposed to inhance, rectify players attitudes by taking actions. Yes Mogga isnt playing on the field, and yes the players arent playing well, but its TM's responability/job to prepare the players mentally and physically to play, which doesnt appear to be happening. And for those saying it will cost a fortune to get rid of TM, it will cost even more to have him stick around and overhaul the complete squad.

 

I agree 100% with doyle, that performance and 3 quarters of the performances this season have been unacceptable, out of europe, out of the cup 3 wins in 10 games at parkhead, 4 million for a striker who doesnt score, players going backwards, loosing our rep all over the world....nah im sorry its ta-ta time for tony!!!

 

I'm still behind Mogga, he is trying to play a style of football with a team that he inherited that is not suited to this style of play, at least give the guy the season to prove his worth, we are still top, and the game that the Huns have in hand is against United at Tannadice. Have faith in Tony, you cant win them all!!

Roll on January to get rid of the deadwood!

 

i'm all for giving him time i just wonder what his personal feeling will be at the end of the season if his style isn't working, do you think Mogga will look at it and think maybe his tactics or style cannot be applied to celtic and jump ship or will he press ahead with another season because he is not shy at blasting the team for not listening to him

 

I'm definitely behind Mowbray and the team. In the European games I've been happier than a very long time - away from home we've kept the ball, made chances, even got our first away win in donkeys. What's glaringly clear, which arguably may not be truely of Mowbrays doing is the lack of a mobile finisher striker and a lack of a quality centre-half.

Question marks obviously over deciding to sign MAF when the aforementioned positions are the priority. He seems to be a Telfer style favourite of Mogga, probably why he was rushed into yesterdays start when Samaras and McDonald for me was the obvious choice, particularly with MAF looking not match-sharp.

This UEFA Cup run has been a learning experience, I'm glad he's had so many games to chew over and get his head round how to play European football. With our limited players it is the Strachan 4-5-1, incredibly organised followed by a sucker punch. McDonald Vs AC Milan or Naka Vs Man United being cases in point. MoN's limited final side went for something similar against BArca at the Nou Camp, only David Marshall saving us there. Strachan has it, MoN has it, Walt has it. The respect that the Scottish game is fundamentally inferior to those on the continent and therefore there is only 1 way of playing. TM will surely know by now, which will do us well in coming years, as painful as it is to watch.

So the minimum expectation of Mowbray is to win the SPL. If he can do it in style it will keep the monkeys off his back, if not he will be gone in the summer. If the board don't sack him the fan power will.