singing during silence today?

after what I heard in the pub today we have no right to be upset at being cast as the other side of the old firm coin.One minute a year to say nothing,not stand in respect,if you feel so strong stay outside.All those arseholes have done today is took the heat off the huns.I stood in a pub in the east end today and not one person thought the celtic fans who sang through the minutes silence were in the right.We enjoy branding all huns as knuckledraggers well the same applies to us.Last year when the 50 wannabe rebels walked out was bad enough but today was the most embarassed I have ever been.

 

craigyjac

>>Apologies for this being all over the place, I'm in the middle of something.<<

Apology accepted. As you admit your answer isn't really satisfying or accurate if I'm honest in a number of areas regarding the civil war. I can't for the life of me see how you could argue satisfactorily that we should honour the Brits but the Catalans shouldn't honour Franco's fascists.

I am all for having a day to commemorate the fallen in WW2 but how do we separate that from the imperialist wars or closer to home in Ireland? Till we can it is unreasonable that anyone from an Irish Republican background should be expected to.

 

Yes those 'fans' should have stayed at home, kept their own hard earned cash because a totaly non football arrangement has forced it's way into football over the past few years.

 

^This

 

top post m8

 

If I am innacurate re the civil war, then I am willing to be educated more.( I have been doing a lot of reading up on this recently but I may have picked up points wrongly)
I have never said that we should Honour the "Brits", I said we should honour the men who died during the great wars.These men,in my eyes, is why we have the freedom and choice that we have.
The point is, Celtic play in Britain, therefore they are going to respect the British feel on this, they would be singled out and slaughtered by the media if they didn't.
This would bring embarrasment on the club.

 

I wonder if Dan Breen would have supported your views? Whereabouts in West Britain are you btw? Just asking?

 

Dont no if this videos been posted but it looks like the other videos been enhanced.

YouTube - Minutes Silence

 

Craigy

Excellent that you are interested in the Spanish civil war and not all of what you said was innacurate, you captured the essence of Catalonia whilst misrepresenting the fact that they did enthusiastically join in early doors. You must have came across the pictures showing hundreds of cabs/cars a la the French leaving Paris for the Marne where the ordinary workers from Barcelona streamed out tconfront the fascists. Anyhow another time on this. However Barca is a good comparison, unless like you are now trying to do, you do not accept the premise that the fascists were to barca like the BA is to Celtic. Actually I think it is an excellent analogy.

I have already stated that it is impossible to separate the men who died fighting fascism in WW2 from the men who mutalated and raped in Kenya, the organisation that orchestrated Unionist death squads and commited murders indiscriminately in Ireland. Ran concentration camps in South Africa killing upto 40 odd thousand Boer wimmen and children. Bombed and gassed(allegedly) Kurdish villages, massacred Sikhs in Armritsar etc, etc, etc. I have tried to give you a wide and varied flavour here. If we are to 'honour the fallen' like these or be selective in our minds, what is the point? Me, I want no part of it and shouldn't be forced to, and certainly not the institution of Celtic that I supported long before my granda was born.

>>The point is, Celtic play in Britain, therefore they are going to respect the British feel on this, they would be singled out and slaughtered by the media if they didn't.
This would bring embarrasment on the club.<<

First off I am embarressed and angry that we wore these poppies today, I am a supporter and not a member of the medja Loyal. We are currently in a British state that tries to treat us like mushrooms. Educate yourself here, Scotland is a rich country we do not need or desire to be used to pay for Britian. Also I suspect you do not mean to mount a campaign of totalitarianism in that, just because we live in Britain we 'must' do what the British do. I'll stick to thinking for myself thanks!

 

* idiots once again we get a bunch of retards letting the club down, best fans in the world having a laugh

 

I haven't seen that photo. As I said, it's incredible amount of info to take in so I accept that point may be way off the mark.

The bottom part, I was referring to was Celtic having to toe the line, as the media will tear us apart claiming that we are just bigots.Celtic do not want or need this publicity.
I'm not saying that I do, or you should do everything which the British do, make your own choices but others will make different ones.

 

that certainly sounds a * of a lot quieter. also if you listen to the first video thats posted it sounds like around 5 or 6 people singing. whether the volume has been adjusted or the mic was closer to the people singing you can't really tell? certainly doesn't seem to have been any singing in the ground for what thats worth.

either way i don't agree with the protest regardless of the numbers involved. i don't however see the need for the poppy to be displayed or for the minutes silence in the first place. we are constantly told that there is no place for politics in football, rightly so in my opinion, and then every november all of a sudden we are forced, not asked, to observe respect for the royal british legion. surely that is hypocritical? personally i normally wear a poppy and wore it to parkhead last year but firstly that was a personal choice and secondly i can understand why others do not feel comfortable with it being forced on them.

 

Well done to those who embarrased the club , thanks a lot

 

Fans today??

Regarding the silence today(the minority of bad fans) is there any "news" reports??

 

On Sky I could only hear distant singing but ive read that Sky lowered the sound for the silence and that on foreign broadcasts singing was heard within the ground. Then again I thought foreign broadcasts would just use Sky pictures like happens when BBC show football.

The only people who can no for sure what went on is the people who were at the game.

We will hear about it and be slated for it either way though.

 

My brother works for sky. Apparently they switched the sound off, which was probably a good thing. I thought they had done it, coz i never heard the ref's whistle to indicate 1 minute being up.

 

Hey onyboy

The reason don't want to go into the rights and wrongs of war is the same reason I'm so against what happened today, this isn't the right medium to do so. Neither was the way in which people protested today, a football stadium isn't the place for that. These peoples anger is obviously with the British Government. They are not to be found at The Falkirk stadium or any other football ground in the UK, so why not take their protest to London. If their anger is aimed the club hierarchy then why didn't they protest at the recent AGM?

If I'm understanding your post correctly, I'm assuming your saying that if the BA had never been involved in Ireland, you would have no problem with remembrance day? So because of one preiod in the history of the Army, you don't think its right to recognise the sacrifice made by hundreds of thousands in any other conflict?

Like my first post, I have no problems with protesting in a decent manner, I don't believe today was decent or dignified. Yes I may have taken sides, but dont we all? Its the manner in which we do so thats makes us who we are, I wouldn't turn up at an anti-war protest shouting my mouth off as I respect other peoples opinions.

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Thanks for your good wishes. Like I said, I don't choose where I go, I'm in the forces to do a job. I have my own opinions on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, however I keep them to myself. I find its the most dignified way of getting around stuff like this.

I'm not a military historian so I can't tell you the wrongs and rights of a conflict that began before I was born. You do seem to know your stuff and I respect your opinion far more as a consequence, more than the idiots that come on here wanting "all brits dead"???

Regards

 

I work in TV sound and I can categorically tell you this would not happen.

 

I am livid at the scumbags that sang during the minutes silence ok it was outside the ground but no excuse they still sang during the minutes silence..I hope the ones that sang are ashamed of themselves and i wish to * * they get banned from future matches

i had family members who served in the army and this is total disrespect to them and everyone else that was in the army

People seem to forget theres celtic fans that are in the army to

 

I have worked for a TV company before too Im afraid it can you can put another sound over what is being shown live for example Hate to use this but "Big Brother when live dubs out the live noise with birds twittering and you cant hear whats being said" ....

Did you also notice the referees whistle at the end of the minute was hardly heard along with the people already clapping wasnt heard initially !!