Celtic's AGM

You are trying to make out that 2 goals would have won us the league?

 

we drew more than two games in the run in, a goal in each of them would have gave us another 4 points... which, would have been enough to win the league, yes

 

They would spend more to keep up.

That's the whole point in getting the debt down and being prudent. So that when Rangers DO recover, we will be able to rise to the challenge.

We know that, with the current organisation of European football, we can't compete with clubs like Man U, Chelsea etc, far less Barca. We also have ringside seats for the crisis at a certain other club in a similar position to ourselves, who tried to compete on that level despite it being unrealistic. They got well and truly shafted, and it was largely their own doing.

We have to face facts - the most prestigious trophy we can win right now is the SPL. And the board's strategy has been to win this every year, without getting further into debt. The strategy, I should add, has been very successful so far: although in my opinion there was a miscalculation last January, which has hurt us badly.

 

One against Hibs and one against Hearts and we would have won the league actually.

 

so basically we're letting recover?
I've never seen a boxer be an easy punch away from a KO stepping back to reserve his energy for the next round.
We'd have * burried them if this board had ambition, there would be no getting back quickly. They'd be resigned to second in the league and we'd be champions right now going for 5 in a row. no one would have wanted to buy an asset stripped debt ridden club...

 

and Fletcher would have got both

 

See this is the fallacy. We would not, and could not, have "buried" Rangers, whatever we had done. If we had won the SPL non-stop for the last 15 * years, the main impact on Rangers would have been to force change at the top. It would probably have strengthened them, because their problems would not have got to the stage they are at now.

Like it or not, our success has relatively little impact on Rangers' position. As I said, we miscalculated last season, and so allowed them to gain Champions League money this season. What's that - £12 million? To put that in proportion, the reason Rangers are shafted is that their holding company, Murray International, is over £900 million in debt. If we'd won the Scottish league every * year since 1888, it still wouldn't have amounted to a 900 million gap.

To repeat, we are not in a position to bury Rangers, never have been. And if we were, and succeeded in doing it, it would probably hurt us in the long run, since they are our only meaningful competition in the only league we have access to.

 

One good defender £5 million
One good striker £5 million

Don't think you'd get good players for much less than that, plus wages of around £30k per week over three years is another 9 million so £15 million is a conservative estimate imo.

£6 million was spent on players plus another £2 million on Mowbray that's where I get the £8 million from.

 

why not add in the wages for mowbray fortune and fox when counting up the 8million like you did the 15million for two players? Clearly the £15million wasn't including wages or you'd have included wages in your other estimate to, no?
Both Cuellar and Boggie cost less than 5million, infact, IIRC both of them would have cost 5mil total.

 

Think most people would have guessed what the board where going to say at the agm today.

Nothing new, same every year.

Quite right tho we cant spend what we done have in a small pond in scotland.

 

cant really argue with this tbh!

i mean they are trying to keep on all levels competeing while staying in the black and not over spending ! we are still looking to bring in players and a new celtic tv station for us too is on the horizan also! we need to give mogga his time aswell to deliver us a team that will compete on all levels ! and in lawwels voice about last january! thats telling me 100% they did indeed try to get in the players to take us to the title also!

we need to plug away just now and take the good with the bad and at this moment we are takeing the bad! once changes ae made in the playing personel? then we can all move on as one and again enjoy the good times as i know mowbray,grant,and venus will get there in the end.

 

That's the game Alsy. A bit of positivity for a change.

 

Adding their wages just improves my argument that we have already invested this season.

Rangers got those two players cheaply no arguments there, when was the last time Celtic got a good bargain, budgeting for a good player you'd expect to pay at least £5 million, other than that it's just a gamble, that gamble paid of for the huns.

I hope to see more investment in January just like every other Celtic fan but only what we can afford.

 

Sorry but that's called good scouting & good management.

We already knew Samaras was * by having the * play for us for 6 months on loan, we still went & spunked a million bucks on the useless * even when we knew 1st hand that he was *.

We got in a bidding war & paid over the odds for Brown, we let Maloney go & then bought him back a season later for another 1million, we sold Donati at a loss when he was currently our best performing CM'er.

We are not by any length of Lawell's or Reid's expansive imagination "one of the best run clubs in Europe".

I dare not even go near the Bobo fiasco.

 

The problem for you is, as the one making these claims, the burden of proof lies on your shoulders.

 

the available money has to be spent wisely in the transfer market and for me this has not been the case.
too much money has been squandered on poor or average players and this is why i reckon wgs, tm and the board are incurring the wrath of the majority of the fans who are of the opinion we should have a far better playing squad right now.

 

"We feel the same dissatisfaction with things that are going on," said Reid. "We set our own standards and we have not been meeting those standards recently. There is a feeling up here too [among the board] that our play has not been satisfactory."

In what could be interpreted as a veiled criticism of Strachan, in reference to last season's collapse, the chairman added: "The type of play, commitment and style just wasn't Celtic, it wasn't just that we lost the league."


"There are certain areas of the pitch which we need to add quality to," (...) "The newspapers have tried to create a wedge and a divide between me and the players that is not there. There is an air of negativity around the media in particular."


"It is the road to ruin if the control of your club passes to anonymous people in financial institutions," said the former cabinet minister. "Financial stability means you are in control of your own club."
"Look around Scottish football and see what happens when there is no financial stability. We are accountable to the fans, to shareholders, not an anonymous director of a bank somewhere."
"It would be moral cowardness and irresponsible to appease the press and others who would like to see us in a position where we are not in control of our own destiny."


Well spoked by John Reid.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself. Well said Mr Reid.

 

imo theres nothing about the agm that we already know, didnt like john reid making references about the huns, its a celtic agm , forget about them. as for tony mowbray hes virtually saying he can only work with the funds he will get from celtic so dont expect much.hes the one thats picked the team in the 1st half of the season, changed the starting line up at every game or 2nd game , so expect both barrels if it doesnt work out toni bhoy

 

Bottom line like it or not we CANNOT spend money we dont have . The world is in recession and while it would be nice to have lots of money to spend we just dont have it and time will tell if tm is able to find us a few gems that we can sell on and maybe make up our budgets from there as a lot of clubs do