Atmosphere at rapid game..

Well, with the demise of Scottish football you'll probably have to settle for EL games ... I know what I'm talking about; you're going the same way Austrian football did.

Both countries and leagues are outclassed and outpriced by the big leagues in England, Spain, Italy and Germany. We're no longer able to attract let alone buy top players. No way someone like Panenka would be playing for Rapid these days.

When we weren't able to attract top players anymore, most clubs resorted to buying cheaper average players, and that was the downfall of Austrian football, especially after Bosman.

It's only now that we're beginning to recover, after decades of absolute inferiority. And why? Because we're investing most of the little money we have in youth work. And I'm not just talking of Rapid; Sturm Graz, Austria Vienna and many other clubs are doing the same. RB Salzburg are the only exception because they've got sh*tloads of cash.

Scottish clubs need to improve their youth work massively. That's the only way out we have. Of course young talents will always be attracted to the big leagues, so we have to settle for making long-term contracts with them and then selling them for good money. Rapid just had to sell their two top strikers to the Premier League and Serie A, but we're now in a position where we have enough young talents to fill the gaps. Kavlak, Drazan, Trimmel, Konrad, Pehlivan all hail from our own ranks, and there's no doubt there'll be more to come.

Luke

 

Ah, the age old youth development subject. Was I being too optimistic when I hoped for a Hibs-style youth revolution at Celtic Park under Mowbray's management?

 

celtic do their part for the you th set up! they spend around 2m-2.5m a season on helping the youth set up! and as far as im aware we are one if not the only club in brittain that spends this much on it?

 

The atmosphere at Celtic park is nothing short of complete * and quite frankly embarrasing. We in 445 and the GB in 111 (and other SMALL pockets of fans around the stadia) try our * arses of every single week to get the old atmosphere back, or atleast some kind of atmosphere but yet we are up against heavy handed stewarding and over the top policing and even the * club themselves. I hope the Rapid game opened the eyes of some so called 'fans' and you see what real football fans behave like, the Rapid fans are a credit to their club and the club treat them that way, unfortunatly if you try and bring a similar type of support into CP you are met with hassle from stewards and police and a ban. Something needs done.

 

celtic parks a joke for nearly 5 years now ... best fans in the world ... ( not for creating an atmosphere )

 

your right mate .moved from lisbon lions 415 to 440 jock stein and it like
a morgue...........
the wee man who is 13 wants to sing his little heart out and its * depressing people around me are like statues.........lol

 

Rapid fan here. This is exactly it: the club works hard with its fans to guarantee the best possible atmosphere in the stadium. Of course, it wasn't always this way, but for a few years now the club (and especially Club Service Head Andy Marek) have realized that the fans are Rapid's most important resource. And the key is the club treats the fans like adults and makes it clear to the fans that a lively and intimidating atmosphere is encouraged, but aggressive behavior won't be tolerated. It's been fun lurking in the Villa, Hamburg and Celtic forums after the recent matches, and seeing everyone say "Holy crap, now THOSE are fans." It would be great if it lit a fire under some people's * in the U.K.

Am I correct in assuming that the security measures are so heavy-handed in the U.K. because the authorities want to undermine any attempts to return to the hooligan violence of the 70s and 80s?

 

Well, I do hope it works for you. Takes more than a couple of years to get results out of it, and many clubs don't have the patience to invest all that money over years. Just too tempting to resort to short-term problem-solving instead.

 

your away fans are brilliant and i've heard your home support is good too . is this right ? .

yes the police here in glasgow are pretty annoying to say the least and the stewards are no better . they surround the two main singing sections in the ground . i have seen them take flags and scarves off people for no reason . they don't allow anyone even slightly intoxicated by alcahol into the stadium . when for the most part these are the ones who create the most atmosphere . the number of peole you see ejected now is amazing. t

the famous CELTIC PARK atmosphere has fizzled out and the Question is what can we do about it ? . i would suggest .

1]bring the geen brigade and jungle bhoys together to make 1 big group .

2]segragate a family section of 5-10 thousand . and allow no one under the age of 16 a seat anywhere outside this section .

3]start selling alcahol in the stadium again this would defo help .

4] make the main stand a standing section at CP if this is allowed .

5] reduce season book prices we are paying premiership prices at the moment to see our team play bog-standard spl teams.


if you have anymore feel free to add . obviously this would mean a major overhaul to people's seating but this should not be a problem i for 1 would be happy to move.

 

i think the problem is we are too spoiled we are not really needed make a big atmosphere to beat these small teams in the spl .

we win the league most season now so it can be slightly draining having to endure the traffic situation around CP to see us win 1-0 against hamilton .

if we were to move to the EPL this would solve all our home atmosphere problems but this isn't going to happen .

I JUST WANT THE OLD CELTIC PARK BACK .

 

Sounds sad, this can´t be the correct way.

I mean, the main reason to go in a stadium are emotions, if these are not allowed, the games could also be viewed on TV - its cheaper and details can be better watched.

I knew, that Britains are not the most emotional people of the world, but this seems to be understated, or?

Why not ?!? Are celebrations like that in GB forbidden?
In the away-sectore we all wondered, why the police denied after the game the players to come to our sector to celebrate with us - even long after the home support left the stadium.

I would not bet 5 ct to this.
I am quite sure, that game decides, who will stay in the EL beside the HSV - Celtic or Rapid. In that situation the Happelstadium will 'Burn'; what could happen on Support, you can read in the Aston Villa / HSV forums or videos can be watched in youtube

YouTube - 17.9.2009|Rapid Wien-HSV| 3:0 ,Part1
YouTube - Ultras Tornados Rapid - Hamburger SV part2

...and this was only the 1st play in the group. The last and deciding will be against Celtic --> This will be the ultimative game, i can´t await it !

Additional factor is, that the away sector is located in the 3rd rank of a sector - far away from the field.

Disadvantage of the Happelstadium is, that´s not really a football stadium, it has a big raceway between the field and the audium and can´t be compared to the Celtic Park.

But come to vienna and try your luck...due the fact the athmosphere in Glasgow was -against all odds & beside the '1984-Folklore on both sides- so unstressed, you are welcome

 

The home support is awesome. Austrian football in general has been booming for the last few years, I think in part because of Euro 2008 and in part because of all the great young Austrian players. And Rapid has been playing very attractive offensive football for the past couple of years under Pacult - once the team starts playing well it isn't difficult to people in Vienna excited about the games. We get good support from all four stands. I remember hearing a Hamburg fan say after the game a couple of weeks ago that he'd never been to a stadium where even the VIPs get into it and sing and hop and curse and whistle! And that was in the Prater Stadium, which has a reputation as a mood killer. But the key is that the club actively encourages a good atmosphere.

I don't know that selling alcohol in your stadium is the solution. But refusing entrance to anyone who is already drunk is really harsh. Really what needs to happen is your supporters groups need to unite and communicate to the club that they need more freedom in order to support the team properly. Of course that is difficult if the club doesn't want to give you that freedom. Hopefully they saw from Rapid that the upside is very high when the club works with the fans to ensure good atmosphere at the ground.

 

Theres certainly an element of truth in that mate.
In my opinion the main change in the atmosphere at grounds throughout the UK has been down to the introduction of all-seater stadiums.
This has also meant an increase in ticket prices, which in turn has started to take the game away from it's natural, working-class, fan base.
Theres been a significant rise in the number of middle-class type fan, who wants to turn up, sit & be entertained, then leave again with minimal fuss.
As well as being a season ticket holder at Celtic Park for over 20 years i also used to go & watch Arsenal.
The old "North Bank" at Highbury used to be the same as the famous old "Jungle" at Celtic Park. It would be jam packed with hardcore, working-class guys, who would have had a good bevvy before the game, who would give the team non-stop support from 1st minute to last.
Nowadays when you go to the Emirates it's like a morgue. The new Celtic Park is the same.
Before all seater stadiums the guys who wanted to go along & sing, enjoy themselves, & create an atmosphere, cold all congregate in the same part of the ground.
Unfortunately that now simply isn't possible.

 

the club has nothing to do with supporters groups anymore the GB are the ones who start the most atmosphere away from home and the JB are ones who make the atmosphere at home .

GB were a ordinary group of fans who banded together to make away games a more enjoyable event for celtic fans and they tend to do real good .

the JB were created by the club as a singing section but they defeated the purpose by putting them were they can be heard least . putting a ring of police and stewards around them and stopping them from being drunk at all . they now take nothing to do with the JB and even hinder them by throwing them out at every opportunity .

the board and the fans have drifted apart these days and as you said this has to stop if we are to get the old celtic park back .

the fact is they won't do this because as-long as the balance sheets are in order .they are happy .

 

*, that sounds dire. I have to say it is very uplifting to see Austrian football culture going in completely the other direction, where the clubs realize how valuable the fans and the atmosphere are and try to support it as much as possible.

To redbhoy's point about all-seaters: I don't know, we have all-seaters here in Austria - doesn't mean you have to stay seated, and it doesn't seem to hurt the atmosphere any. As long as you don't have someone constantly telling you to stay seated (which I take it is a big problem in the U.K.), that shouldn't be too much of a hindrance to making noise and being loud. I think too that if you had at least one big section where everyone stands and chants, the wine and cheese crowd would eventually get into the fun too. Seems like at Rapid matches people realize it's more fun for everyone when you get loud and silly (and it motivates the team more too).

 

we are told to sit and shut up lets move to austria where there is some freedom . :icon_mrgreen:

the wine and cheese club i love it :icon_mrgreen:. in scotland it's called the prawn sandwich brigade

 

I'm liking the sound of the wine & cheese.

Pencil me in for that part of the stadium Ugmo!!

 

Ah but you have to admit it took us a couple of years to turn the south stand into real supporters

Other than that I can only second all your comments here - listen to the man, guys - good stuff.

 

all this about all seater stadiums a lot of crap.celtic park had the best atmosphere in europe two short years ago the reason things have got so bad is the team has been downgraded and continues to be for whatever reason yet prices are still rising for a poorer product therefore the 12th man has been downgraded.put a team we deserve on the park and guaranteed the intimidating atmosphere will return

 

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