Mogga clueless in Europe

TM just needs to learn some small things that make a big diffrence on european nights, 3 subs at the same time with 10 mins to go, just stuff like tht, but who was expecting TM to do well in europe? hes never managed in it b4

 

In a perfect world we may have gotten a manager of the ilk of David Moyes, but the reality is that, we are a big fish in a small pond. A pond, I might add, which is getting smaller, with less revenue, diminished quality and losing its appeal beyond these borders.

I love this football club, as I'm certain, you all do. We all want what is best for the club, and all form different perspectives. That of the board differ to the girls in the ticket office, just as the youngest lad in the youth set up with stars in his eyes differs from the manager's. We want whats best. Simply we can't compete with the biggest clubs, when it comes to recruiting a new manager, just as we cant attract the best players.

Above all we need stability. The absurd situation of the 90's when we had a new manager just about every year must never be repeated.

Its not all doom and gloom. There are positives. We are on the top of the SPL and the season has a long way to go. Mowbray will find his 'European legs'. It may take some time, but keep the faith. As the song goes 'over and over, we will follow you'.

 

ok im going to have my rant,

TM needs to get his tactics right, at the moment hes playing a flat back four, which dont get forward at all, this would not help our wingers who are having the op wingers and full backs marking them. I dont think Wilson got over the halfway line tonight. Not wilsons fault, cause he must be told to stay back. Taking Maloney off was a joke, im sure he could of played an extra 5mins, N'Guemo had a great game, but i cant see how we can continue to play both him and Brown in the same team, it has to be one or the other, or change systems, id personally like to see McGeady in the middle to create something, he moved into the middle in his last 5mins and started to create opportunities, mayb put McGinn out wide for some pace in the team. How McCourt didnt get a game tonight despite being the inform player in the team, i dont no.

TM to me hes still the naive manager that choose to play attractive football in the Prem League against better teams at the expense of getting relegated. Hopefully he proves me horribly wrong and makes me sound like a whinging aussie.

 

Our normal full backs of Hinkel and Fox are ALWAYS going forward, both are better in attack than defence.

McGeady got subbed with 10 mins to go so didn't move into the middle for the final 5 minutes

McCourt failed a fitness test before the game and that's why he never even made the bench.

 

I was surprised by how poor Rapid were. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised that we didn't punish them. 1 point from Hapoel and Rapid.. simply unacceptable. Bleak. Boy does it hurt!

 

Very unfair comment on McGeady, every time ge got the ball he had 2 and 3 men on top of him choking him out of the game.
They obviously had done their homework on him as being the man to snuff out of the game and it worked, but there was enough chances created overall if only we had strikers to take them.

 

the term 'you cant polish a *' comes to mind.

our team are not experienced or good enough to compete in Europe, sad, but true. we should concentrate on 'trying' to beat all the other SPL teams, getting a consistent formation, run of results and winning the title, then we may be in better stead for next year

 

FFs 5 GAMES IN EUROPE AND MOWBRAY ALREADY EXPECTED TO BE ANOTHER JOCK STEIN.
Surely every manager has the right to be given the time to practice and learn a subject that is alien to him.
Apart from the misses, mistakes and some bad luck our lads tried out there last night and the limitations of this team were there for all to see against a team no better than us.

 

it´s not only he is clueless in europe he is clueless in the spl as well. his luck is that there are only pish teams there and you don´t need tactics to win games as your squad is ways better than the other garbage...

first 25 min of second were good yesterday but that is to less to go through in this group and it´s really sad to see that we are out of the loser cup after 2 games played. or is anybody here who thinks we will win in hamburg or vienna?

i give mogga all time he needs cause i´m not someone who blames the manager for all this *. and tbh we had the same * with wgs, so there is a doubt of quality in our squad. celtic really needs to do something in the winterbreak as they want to make sure that supporters don´t lose their interest in the team..

 

The first bit in bold: we've only dropped two points in the league against a decent Dundee United side that last year we had difficulty in breaking down. We've played hearts, aberdeen and hibs, 2 of which were away, all games were last season we dropped points, hardly suggests he's clueless in the SPL.

The second bit in bold, I can be disappointed in results, even angry but I could never lose interest in Celtic, none of the supporters that I know could lose interest in the team. We've witnessed a squad a lot worse than the current crop masquerade themselves as Celtic and we didn't give up, we protested to get rid of the old board but that showed despite it being dark times we were still interested.

 

Supporters who lose interest are not supporters.
Celtic are not just for Christmas.

 

Yet again his subs were baffling, take off the 3 players who were actually playing well.

Why stick on killen when the only people who were getting balls into the box where subbed?

Why was brown left on aswell? He was limping about and was non existent the whole game.

I honestly dont think he took that game seriously last night, hes more worried about the huns on sunday.

Poor poor poor yet again from Celtic

 

don´t know if your manager is clueless, but he certainly has a weird sense of humor, considering what i read in The Scotsmann:

"There was enough evidence tonight to suggest we can go to Vienna and give Rapid problems. And I know we can give Hapoel Tel-Aviv problems here. So that's six points I'm giving us and maybe we can win both games against Hamburg, which would be a total of 13 points and enough to qualify."

 

What annoys me is for the third time this season (Dundee United, Hapoel), Mowbray panics in the face of it, and throws on risky substitutions which completely unbalances the team.

Last night wasn't so bad tactically as we had Robson and Brown anchoring the midfield, yet our 2 best players were withdrawn in Maloney and N'Guemo. It ended a 4-2-4 with our defence blasting the ball aimlessly, hopelessly. Surely in these situations its better to build from midfield and at least keep possession?

Against Hapoel and Dundee United we ended up with 1 centre-midfielder, and again pumping the ball aimlessly from the back.

I'm prepared to draw a line under all this because it's early days but it is irritating me.

 

didnt want to post last night as i was a bit wound up. I think we were a bit unlucky last night, we had a few good chances but just coudlnt get the ball in the back of the net. That said, there are areas of our game that is worrying me. Mcmanus and calswell are not our best centre half pairing. Davie murray could outpace them and caldwell has to be the clumsiest player i have came across. loovens should be starting and i would like to see o'dea back up. more mobile and consistent.
also, scott brown needs to be rested. he is off form and its hurting our creativity going forward. someone mentioned moving mcgeady into the middle, i think that would work well. would balance with n'guemo so one attacks, one defends. we are also very weak up front. skippy works hard and does well but im still not happy with killen and samaras as the other options. we need a goalscorer with pace.
Lets just hope we can learn rom tonight and get a result on sunday. hail hail

 

Same issues have been apparrent all season but I don't think it is limited to just Europe. We allow teams to run at our centre backs who, Glen Loovens apart, are on a horrendous run of form. We have enough possession but are lacking a spark in the middle of the park. We are creating a handful of chances but have serious failings when attempting to convert them.

Incidently I think Shaun Maloney was * knackered, that's why he came off.

 

He's not learned how to set up defense properly. Our defense was better with Strachan.

 

Considering the height of the RV centre backs, definitely. Us punting balls up suited them. They even had at least one tall DM.

 

Yup, and apart from their defence lapping up our long-balls, Caldwell and McManus do not have the creativity or technical ability to be putting in direct passes/crosses.

This is where Brown should be stepping up and taking control but he's just not been doing that...

 

i didnt read all of the thread but got the idea from the first couple of pages.

at the end of the day last nights result can in no way be blamed on tony mowbray. imo he got his selections and tactics spot on. if mcmanus hadnt tried to play that silly ball we wouldnt have been down and early goal and had to chase the game. being 1-0 up suited them as it meant they could put men behind the ball and try and hit on the counter.

we dominated them after we equalised and on another night could have easily overturned the 1-0 deficit. i dont understand how people can jump straight on the managers back after this result - on another day it would have been heralded as a good comeback.

i used to believe we had the best fans in the world but every since the "messiah" martin oneill left i feel our core fanbase is becoming more and more fickle. If we win a game 5-0 it was against poor opposition, if we draw a game against a decent side we arent good enough and if we loose its time to get rid of our manager after less than 10 competitive games.

greatest fans in the world - we * USED to be