are arsenal bigger than us

and thats a fact.

 

patto, from sheffield no less

hi:bbpd:

 

Everton have the most years in the top flight at over 100 but only 56 consecutive. Arsenal hold the record for most consecutive entering for the first time in 1919 and have never been relegated in 80 years.

 

Thank you very much, I don't want these kind of people representing my club.

He is acting a bit like a * with just his name "Factmachine" 95% of the stuff in this thread is pure opinion anyway, and i know i would be infuriated as a celtic fan with someone coming on spurting out what he calls to be absolute facts. I mean lets face it afterall the thread is going nowhere its opinions being fired at each other coupled with one or two facts in an attempt to booster each individuals argument.

 

He was a moron. The rest of the Arsenal fans participating currently aren't as ignorant though, the majority are contributing well to the discussion/debate.

We all know Celtic is bigger though deep down

 

This has become worse than the chicken or the egg.....:snack:

 

paul67, ill participate no problem. ive you have a look on the *.com forum, you will see i have no beef with anyone, am pretty light hearted etc. etc.

but this guy pretty much assassinated me, all i want to know is why....

 

These * contests really are quite pointless.

Why sour whats been a good relationship by two good sets of fans?

Please close this

 

*.com i'm sorry but

 

CNN.com - Chicken andeggdebate unscrambled - May 26, 2006
:bbpd:

Yes, we're all in cahoots with eachother. It couldn't just be that we have different opinions and see things differently even within our own support.

Arsenal must be the only club that puts equal weight on cups and league. ManUre: 11, Arsenal: 3.
As The Special One might say: anyone can get lucky in a cup competition but you have to be the best to win the league.

All I hear is the sound of a Wambulance. "oh poor us we had a to build a stadium."

Thanks, the numbers continue to make my point.

Maybe before you jump into the middle of a debate you should reread what's been said. Sticking more words in my mouth like a silly wannabe Englishman.
You've lost the plot completely by failing to pay attention to simple details.

I've already stated who the big clubs in England are. You just can't accept that Arsenal isn't one of them.
Didn'y you give up last time too? Or was that the other bloke?

 

Bud you are completely hopeless unless your point was Arsenal are a bigger club than Celtic I think you don't even know how to read numbers. Being ranked 5th is better than being ranked 47th or 23rd or being 3rd best in a first rate league is better than being 2nd best in a 3rd rate league. Those are good things under stand? Arsenal are twice as close in titles to the top in England than Celtic (5 vs 10) are aswell thats a good thing understand?

Your point was Arsenal aren't a big club if thats the case than Celtic is a minnow so be it I guess will be small clubs together. By the way ManU have 7 Leagues to Arsenal's 3 since the money came in other than that your just picking an arbitrary time in history as a starting point to say well ManU did good to this point I'll cut it off here before that it was 11-10 and before the premier league it was 10-7 Arsenal. Only one club has been better than Arsenal in the last 20 years in England simply put same as one club has been better than Celtic in the same time frame.

Face it your the 2nd most successful team in a 3rd rate league without any relavance in Europe's top competition in 30 years provide some facts to counter this dont just cut up my post and ignore Celtic's failings. Arsenal are the 3rd best team in a first rate league and one of the top clubs in Europe and one of the top revenue generating clubs in the world nothing you can say will change that, you can change your definition all you want to meet your needs but I have provided facts while you talk about wambulances and resorted to calling me names this isn't a debate its me giving facts and you providing nothing. Numbers mean something calling the queen a horse * or me an English * means nothing just proving your inferriority in debate by going off relavance trying to make it about me or about your non jealousy instead of addressing the facts. Your in over your head provide something to show how the numbers I have given your are false because they obviously show Arsenal to be a big team if you condsider Celtic a big club if you can't see that than thats problem.

How come you never addressed those numbers I provided about Celtic anyway does the truth hurt? Either were both small or Arsenal are every bit as big if not bigger than Celtic except in some undefineable stat you point to passion and fan base who knows. Time changes things Hungary was once the power of world football now look history doesn't change but power does get with the times.

ALL GLORY IS FLEETING

"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."
- Gen. George C. Patton


I shouldn't of said I give up Annie Sullivan never gave up and she must of had tough days too I feel I'm in the same position so I shouldn't either. :icon_mrgreen:

 

Anybody can play with numbers. You've yet to provide a 1 though.
As for FIFA rankings -- they're a joke as other threads around here can attest to. You get more points playing in UEFA Cup than in CL. Laughable.

There is nothing arbitrary to the start of the EPL.
Actually you're the one picking arbitrary time periods. I already told you why it's pointless to separate pre/post Sky money domestically: Arsenal and ManU both got equal benefit. The distinction is in international competition, not domestic.
Been over this 3 * times already and you're still repeating the same *. Come up with something new already.

 

* for tat

 

What's so bad about *?

 

Simple question do you condsider Inter a big club if so why?

 

Originally Posted by McNaka
Anybody can play with numbers. You've yet to provide a 1 though.

Wow 13 times been number one in the league (3rd most) 10 times been number 1 in the cup (2nd most). Fifth highest ranked in Europe the top 1% of all clubs 5th highest revenue is in the top 1% of all clubs, Arsenal are number one in England in undefeated seasons. Rangers are number 1 team in Scotland are they the biggest club in Scotland? Theres some number ones for you consistent results make you a top club not every big team can be number one because there are multiple big teams from leagues. Whats Celtic number one in and do you condsider whatever it is making them bigger than Rangers?

As for FIFA rankings -- they're a joke as other threads around here can attest to. You get more points playing in UEFA Cup than in CL. Laughable.


"From the 2004/05 campaign, clubs that reach the first knockout round, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Cup are awarded an extra point for each round. In addition, three points are awarded for participation in the UEFA Champions League." - From Uefa Website

So there you go I'm not sure about the changes for this year but the maximum points that could be earned since this change in 04/05 in the UEFA cup was 43 points and the champions league it would be 47 points. Good point though but either way Celtic is 47th on the list Arsenal is 5th Rangers are top 20 you have been in Europe for the last 5 years so have Rangers what is your execuse? I don't know whats laughable about the truth and these other threads must all be wrong sorry the truth hurts I know. Make it joke but every team plays in the same system and its based on results Arsenal have results Rangers have results Celtic have....47th ranking.


There is nothing arbitrary to the start of the EPL.
Actually you're the one picking arbitrary time periods. I already told you why it's pointless to separate pre/post Sky money domestically: Arsenal and ManU both got equal benefit. The distinction is in international competition, not domestic.
Been over this 3 * times already and you're still repeating the same *. Come up with something new already.

Buddy seriously what International trophy have Man U won 11 times that you were posting about than. I never knew that becuase you say domestic doesn't matter but your last post talked about 11-3 so I assumed you were talking EPL, but that is just an arbitrary date becuase before that there was still a top flight in English Football the EPL didn't change the rules of football it was name change so although it is a marker in time it doesn't change who won anything prior to it English top league football has been around for more than 17 years so since you want those 17 years I'll take the 60 before Arsenal 10 ManU 7 see how that works? All time it is 18-13 down by 5 while Celtic all time is down by 10 over Rangers so does that make Rangers a giant and Celtic small?

You never mentioned ManU international results once before in any of your last posts so don't say you said it three times and in earlier posts you put Arsenal's success in Europe down to Sky money but now you say ManU have earned international distinction but when has ManU seen there best results in Europe? That's right after 97-98 (the year you picked not me) when the Sky deal came in so ManU's results are down to...help me out here but Arsenal's are solely backed by Sky? can you work that equation so I can see how you come up with that?
Something like this:

ManU + Sir Alex + Sky Money = European Results

but

Arsenal + Wenger + Sky Money = European Results

Is that how you break that equation down or is just a contradiction to your earlier posts?

Admit you have no arguement everything you say works against Celtic or contradicts something else you have already said and proven wrong.

Arsenal + Wenger + Sky Money = NO European Results

 

ManU was successful winning the league before Sky, after Sky, before Chelski, and after Chelski. They actually have a few English players as well. Even some that went through their own youth setup! Two things Arsenal can't do. Players like Neville x2, Scholes, Wes Brown, Becky, *, Fletcher, O'* etc.
Arsenal buys players. Then those players leave. Even many of the players ManUre have bought over the years are mainstays... Ole Gunnar, Johnsen, Silvestre ... Rooney looks like he's going nowhere.
FFS, even wantaways like Christy stayed for 6 years.

Easy excuse. 2 years form the majority of Rangers and Celtics points.
Huns: Finish 3rd in CL group and go to UEFA Cup final --> 24 pts
Huns: Get to UEFA Cup last-16: 14 pts
Celtic: Finish 2nd in CL group twice: 12 pts both times

UEFA Coefficient points = Joke.
You'd do as well to argue NTs based on FIFA Coke Bottle Cap points.

And for the FOURTH time now... please learn to read. I've explained it twice already and your response is nothing short of retardation.

Relative to money received by other EPL teams, Arsenal earned. Relative to money earned by teams in every other league, Arsenal did nothing to earn it.

When you can grasp this simple point, please come back and try again.


PS You've consistently refered to "recent" European success, but keep falling back on English success over 50 years ago... make up your * mind already. Either your * accomplishments in the 30s = * (my opinion) or we're accepting all Euro success as equal as well.