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lawell degrading the club!!!!!

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by conorbhoy, Nov 16, 2005.

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  1. conorbhoy

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    lawell degrading the club on sky sports:

    Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell wants the club to emulate the model followed by PSV Eindhoven and Porto.
    The Parkhead official wants to see Gordon Strachan spotting young talent, developing them and, ultimately, selling them on for a profit.
    "The key here is going out and finding the stars, if you like, before they become stars," Lawwell told Sky Sports News.
    "So you bring them here, give them the showcase of Celtic Park and bring them on and create that value playing for you and maybe, ultimately, moving them on.
    "You've seen the model at Eindhoven and Porto who have been successful over the past few years in a European context."
    Lawwell believes Celtic need a higher profile league to operate in but stressed that there was massive upheaval at the club this summer with Gordon Strachan replacing successful boss Martin O'Neill.
    "If Celtic, whether it be The Premiership or some other structure, played regularly in an environment that got the same exposure as the English Premiership, I don't think there are any boundaries for Celtic," he stated. "You can then push it or take it on.
    "13 players left the club and we brought seven in.
    "So you've got a concoction there where you've got real change. The players who remained here had to get used to the new manager, new players have to come in and settle, the management team have to come in and setlle.
    "We have addressed the wage bill in terms of reduction over the same period so the change was massive, absolutely massive."



    this just makes us a * laughing stock.
    any views?????
     
  2. Kerr_OConnor

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    dont forgot that PSV reached the semi finals of the champions league and were unlucky not to reach the finals. they have have been the best team in holland for some time due to this program. Porto won the champions league 2 seasons ago due to this structure so i dont see the problem with this idea.
     
  3. Jungle Bhoy

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    Same here but i dont want to see players like Beatie, Maloney etc being sold on.
     
  4. Kerr_OConnor

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    if we can get good prices for any of our players then we should sell them on and with the money buy younger and better talent at better prices. for too long has celtic been holding onto players until they have passed their expiry date and eventually leave for nothing.
     
  5. conorbhoy

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    still makes us look like a club with no ambition, just for money-making.
    PSV and porto aren't the only clubs to concentrate heavily on this set-up, just lucky enough to have found these great players. it doesn't always work out bhoys.
     
  6. cybersooz

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    At first It sounds bad like we're a feeder club, but reading more into it, I understand wot he's saying - basically that ultimately people will move on but we should be cashing in on the talent when that happens - and he said if we were in the Premiership then the sky's the limit - so he's right in saying that we are constrained by the league we're in - and that includes, realistically, always hanging on to our best players forever. We could hang on for longer if the players new there was a prospect of us winning a Euro trophy I think.
     
  7. cfc-Martin-cfc

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    dont think its a bad thing look where they got 2?- was this not posted sumwhere else on the forum :97:
     
  8. Dempsey

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    This was brought up in another section but who cares.

    How does this make us a laughing stock. Ajax, PSV, Porto have been very successful at it.

    PSV - Semi final of Champions League
    Ajax - Financially Sound
    Porto - UEFA Cup WINNERS, Champions League WINNERS

    Has anyone laughed at their success?

    SPL alone doesn't satisfy our financial needs or our ambitions. Champions League will only do it if we have a good team and progress. When the next Beattie, Maloney, McGeady, Kennedy etc comes along and clubs are interested in a player that can be replaced then we should sell otherwise the young talent becomes 'stale' (dont develop what they could have) or leave for free/nominal fee. i.e. Other clubs reap what we sow.

    At first it does sound like we are lowering our expectations and ambitions but IF this setup is done right and funded correctly it will allow us to realise our ambitions and expectations.

    I think Lawwell is doing a good job for Celtic and also I think he's on the right track with the club's future.
     
  9. Murphy7

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    Can't see the problem conorbhoy.
     
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    Celtic should never ever be bringing through players just to sell them on, Porto Ajax and PSV may all have done it, but we are Celtic one of the biggest teams in world football.

    Allthough a do think we should be lookin to bring in more youngsters to strenthen our sqaud.
     
  11. Murphy7

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    He said "maybe" moving them on.

    Of course we would want to keep them and if you look at us in the recent past, we have kept all our best players during their best times of their career.
     
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    Ah well, Petrov will be off in January then I suppose!!!!! If this is the Lawwell way then we can look forward to losing quite a few of our better talent soon.
     
  13. jaradthescot

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    Never! We're not bringing ourselves down to that level. PSV and Porto got where they are (see: were) because of great management and luck that all of they're young talent came at once. Most clubs who do this will only get 4 or 5 good young players in the team at once, and the best managers won't want to come to a team where they'll be forced to get rid of all they're best prospects. PSV and Porto are the exception not the rule, and even their "exception" doesn't last long. Look at Porto now...
     
  14. mikeybhoy

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    It looks like Aston Villa will be making a bid of £4-million pounds for Stan+bonus they were talking about it on the daily-huddle 2nite bhoys,Thats peanuts in todays market Celtic payed £2.75 for Petrov i think so if the board accept that(Can't see it bhoys Petrov loves Celtic+he knows that We Will be in the C.L. next year) to me they are only looking for money for our star players,but its good as well for Scottish players like Beattie+Maloney and McManus i wonder how much Wee Shaun would be Worth if he Kept playing the way he is and scoring a Hat-trick against Rangers can see that happening if he gets good service.
     
  15. celticniall

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    This concept sounds good in principal, but don't forget that youth training facilities and all the rest have to be upgraded, and be top class. Look at the youth setup of PSV or Porto or even Chelsea...it is top class. This means spending millions which in turn means more debt or no transfer money for a while.

    Is everyone gonna be happy with that? Say, come two years down the line, we have sold one or two players to raise some funds and millions are being invested in youth setup, the squad is crying out for new talent; are fans gonna be happy with youngsters coming through or will they cry out for top class talent for our top class club to compete at the top level?

    There are pros and cons, while I think it would be really beneficial in the long run, but may be detrimental in the short term with regards to available funds.
     
  16. topgunii

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    Yeah I don't want to see our club sell all the players neither but You must think about the way of Celtic. There're so many way to makes club stronger. We must make our own way. Sell player? not all. But that's the essential part of the Club Football. If you can get the money more than value of player that you think, then sell him. that's right way.

    I know what your mean. We're very grand club but actually we haven't much money. There's no *' Roman or Romanov.. whatever..

    I'm proud of Celtic now. I don't want to see selling all the best players but sometimes we must sell some guys.. like the 'rat'.. see what he does now!