Israel at it again

Thats out of order bringing religion into it. The fact that zed is a muslim is not relevant to the topic being discussed. This thread is about the unjustified aggression shown by the Israeli military this past weekend. Also, there are plenty of Jews who disagree with Israel's actions, type Justice for Palestine into google and one of the first results is Jews for Justice in Palestine so an individual's religion has no bearing on this topic.

 

You took it out of context. Hezbollah literally means "Army of G*d" and that's what I was referring to when I said an act of allah, but I do realise how it could be construed differently.

I fully agree with you that there are Jews who are opposed to the war against Hamas. It's their right and thank G*D this is a democracy and that they can excercise that right. Pity they couldn't exercise that right in Gaza where any form of dissent againt Hamas is met with serious retribution.

Were you aware that Hamas persecuted and executed Christians as well as burning down Christian bookshops and study centres? Or is that fact conveniently put aside to enhance your argument againt Israel?

 

Is * a dirty word in Israel?

 

Fair dos, I just misinterpereted what you were saying. As regards to Hamas, I'm not justifying their actions, they are terrorists, I dont see a bus full of civilains as legitimate targets; I'm just saying I can see why they carry out the attacks

 

Do you even know what Hamas' aims are? I'm asking you honestly and seriously here!

I honestly cannot see the logic in a christian supporting a group who murder fellow christians in the name of G*d then calling anyone who is not a muslim an infidel.

You may not like jews or the state of Israel...it's your right...but explain the support of Hamas please, I really would like to know.

 

I know Hamas are far from blameless but Israel are using excessive force and violence in their retaliatory attacks. 57 civilians killed is 57 too many. If Israel want the world to support them then they must stop acting like the terrorists they are attacking.
They don't give a * about world opinion, that's clear, but Hamas will never give up and the Israeli people will suffer and because of Israels' actions Hamas will be even more indiscriminate in their attacks.
I am by no means a supporter of Hamas but I have no sympathy at all for Israel after this, the latest in a long line of reactionary attacks on another of their neighbours.

 

i dont want to sound in any way racist or offensive but , feed the bear, why are you living in isreal? do you feel no guilt that it was once somebody else's land, who was forcibly evicted because you have more right to it?

 

Go back far enough and it was their land, too... which expulsion was justified? Learn history, then talk. FFS, the Dome of the Rock is built on the ruins of King Soloman's temple. It doesn't get much more symbolic than that.

It's neither theirs nor the Palestenians according to history... it's both.

 

i wouldnt have a problem if they were living cohabitually but the fact that isrealis beleive it to be 'only theirs' angers me

 

I dont support Hamas! However I see them as the lesser of two evils.
PS I have no problems with the Jewish people either.

 

And you don't think Hamas has the same mentality? ..... right...... They'd be worse if they were the ones in power.

Doesn't change the fact that you tried to shame him by saying it is "someone else's land".

 

its 2 easy for anyone on here who doesnt know what its like to live there to give thier opinions on what its like over there.

i think some people on here see a similar situation to that of ireland and think they have an opinion on it

 

hamas are only trying to fight oppression, you may not know that be surrounded by zionist media in the states but isreal is the oppressor

 

The same could be said for the USA. It belonged to the Native Americans. Australia the Aborigines. South Africa the native tribes of that part of the continent.
You have to look at the here and now sadly.
Whether Israel have a right to that land or not doesn't count for anything when they are committing state sanctioned terrorism.

 

Aw c'mon!!! You dont believe all that * do you. Rupert Murdoch doesn't sound much like a Jewish name to me

 

ive been listening to too much geoorge galloway

 

That's not fair Marty. People can see on TV what is happening. People can read all the ugly details on what is happening.
To say that they don't know what is happening because they don't live there is to assume we're all idiots.

 

are isreal not also comitting state sanctioined terrorism?

let me remind you that william wallace was a 'terrorist' whose fellow comrades killed thousands driving a foreign opressor out of their lands yet he is a national hero

i also find it just as appaling the treatment that the afore-said native americans and aborigonees went through due to western imperialism

 

Here comes the "zionist" stuff. Feed the bear has written stuff *from their own website* which lays down their mission. You are ridiculous and clutching now, I think you'd be well served to leave a debate you clearly know nothing about. This isn't Ireland/UK no matter how much you try to draw parallels to it, stop trying to simplify a situation down to a level that makes it easier to understand for you, and do try to attempt to understand the complexities of it... It's a deeply complex area with a sticky history that you obviously are unable to grasp.

 

I think he could be right though, the fact USA are backing Israel would lead me to believe alot of American medias would have israeli propaganda, I have no facts but its well possible. I dont know enough of whats goin on over there to comment its shaping up to be agood argument. im just waiting for Zmcfc to get back on so itll all kick off