Signings - Strachan and O'Neill

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Anyway this isn't a dig or a fanatical defence of either manager, in fact let me state quite clearly that I'm a huge fan of both managers. Being brought up in the 80's and 90's, Martin O'Neill changed everything for me so I am eternally grateful. And also I am of the thinknig that Strachan is taking us onwards and upwards while cutting the wage bill dramatically.<o></o>
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Alas I present my research documenting the signings of both managers in their tenure (apologies for size):<o></o>




Anyway I’m writing more than I should here but remember each manager has achieved superb things - all I wanted to do was put down on paper some facts and reasonable assumptions about the quality to balance the arguments about how much so and so has spent, how little so and so has spent, etc etc.

 

The amount O'Neill spent in the year 2000 (£20m was it?) was incredible for us (and a lot of football clubs) at that time too. MON did have more to work with.

 

MON's six signings in his first season were brilliant, I must say.

 

All figures taken from wikipedia although I've cross checked them with my own fountain of knowledge. I've also missed out a decent whack of reserves (Mizuno et al) and where fees were undisclosed went with general paper talk. I think these figures are as close as we might get though correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Nice to see the facts laid out for people to see.

 

It's a shame we couldn't spend 6m on two players in one transfer window now.

 

I know Donati was less than the touted value because I've read a quote from Strachan talking about his fee, I think a few signings for both Mon and Wgs were less than the touted value.

Also to make it a better comparison I think you should throw in how much we made from selling players under both managers.

 

In their respective first seasons Martin O'Neill spent £19.6m on players, compare that to the £8.2m that Strachan was able to spend and still bring success then i can't see why so many people don't like him,
I've had my doubts about the Wee man before but i'm definitely in full support of him now

 

Good point, although too much work for me lol. Both managers inherited some real quality as well which skews things a little, but Larsson in his prime really shows that O'Neill started off with more favourable players...

 

And that sort of money back then was massive.

These managers had totally different financial climates to operate in and both did excellent given what they were up against. They both should recieve the highest praise possible

 

Ricardinho, I'll bump up an old thread of mine where I did just that, and maybe you could merge these two?

 

Totally agree with that statement

 

This is a bit old but...

SALES


MON

Mark Viduka- £6m
Burchill- £1m
Berkovic- £1.5m
Crainey- £1.3m
Riseth- £1.2m
Tebily- £870,000

Total: £11.9m on 6 players

Average: £1.9m per player

Profit from Buys/Sales: -£16m

WGS

Laursen- £1.2m
Petrov- £6.5m (may rise to £8m on appearances)
Hartson- £500,000
Ross Wallace- part of £800,000 double deal- may rise to £1.1m on appearances
Stanislav Varga- part of £800,000 double deal- may rise to £1.1m on appearances
Lensky- £100,000 (estimate)
Pearson- £750,000
Maloney- £1.1m
Beattie- £1.25m
Marshall- £1m
Miller- £3m
Jarosik- £740,000
Zurawski- £500,000

Total: £17.8m (May rise to 19.4) on 15 players

Average: £1.2m (May rise to 1.3) per player

Profit from Buys/Sales: -£8.7m (may rise to -7.1)

 

Great thread, Ive been looking for a comparison like that for ages, cheers.

 

very interesting reading there mate good job.

 

is it not funny how you gave BIG BOBO a 5 and he doesn't get his game.
Is that not another player who has a problem with WGS.

If you look at the squad now the only two players that WGS did not sign is McGeady and Bobo.

it wont be long before we are saying that with full sqaud is all WGS buys.

I would give both the above players a 5 myself and they would be first picks every week

 

Bobo a first pick every week? Thank * you aren't mananger pal. :icon_mrgreen:

 

bobo has shown his true colours...money money money.

 

exactly. the guys an absolute * and what he's doing is as bad as common theft as far as Im concerned

 

Did we not get 1m for Sno?

Anyway, you also have to take into consideration when you are comparing value that transfer values have increased dramatically, especially the English market where MON operated.

There is no way strikers of the calbre of Sutton or Hartson who were consistant goalscorers in the EPL would move now for 5-6m, it'd be closer to double that.