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We Have a lot of mixed nationalities at CP now. If any are on this forum would they please give their views on the singing of the songs.

Do you think we should also sing the Qaumi Tarana, Els Segadors or even the Hatitvah. etc. After all we are for all people.

This is the view of one foriegner.

He played for Belfast Celtic, he was also very active in the IRA. He moved to the Gorbals in Glasgow early 1900s. Celtic where interested in him until they found out what he was involved in.

He went to CP one afternoon for the first time and after 15 minutes of hearing the songs and chants got up and left. He said I live with this every day,it is my duty. I wish these people could go over the sea, and see first hand the horrors they are singing about.
But I only wanted to see a game of football.

My Grandfather.

 

excellent post

 

As I've said before any songs/chants involving death/injury towards a human being should be warned, banned and if this is not enough then points deduction and heavy fines are the only way forward.

The reports I've been hearing through the radio shows mainly have been horrific! From Dean Shields plastic eye, Scott Brown's sister and the Jock Stein banner, they are enough for me for the clubs to be punished.

Aberdeen fans are as bad singing about the Ibrox disaster or Durrant's injury. No place for these in football and hardly football banter either. There are obviously many more cases of similar chants/songs like these that football needs rid of.

Same goes for sectarian songs whatever they are. UEFA have banned these.

Besides it's a game of football and the fans should be spurring the players on by singing their names etc, not singing about what the majority probably won't understand anyway. Makes no sense at all.

 

With regard to this subject this is the best post I have ever read on here

 

So what you are saying is ban Flower of Scotland, all songs about the 2nd world war, songs about the first world war, songs like 'I don't like Mondays', any song that reflects history or real life.
Singing about the Ibrox disaster isn't the same as singing about struggle and oppression.
People die in wars. Innocent people, guilty people. This is a fact of war. The songs you want banned are stories about heroes and villains. They are part of human existance.
If UEFA come out and say these songs are not to be sung then so be it. Even if Celtic come out and say these songs can't be sung I'll live with that, but they haven't.
The songs that are banned are songs about the Orangemen and protestants and songs that are designed to antagonise the rival supporters. TBOTOB and Soldier's Song are not design to do this even though they may upset a few ignorant bigots who know not what they are about.

There will always be disagreement on this issue.
I respect totally those who are against them but my point is that there is no reason not to sing them.
People everywhere sing songs of freedom and injustice, even at football games. They are sang to show people who we are and what we believe in.
If people misinterperate them then that's their problem, not mine.

 

to be honest im sick to the back teeth now adays that everything we do has to be put on the spotlight and hasnt to offend anyone. lets be honest here, we all know what gets sung at both the old firm away ends and as much as both teams want there fans to stop singing these songs it will never happen.if u dont like it dont go. i think ppl should wisen up wee bit and realise that celtic dont like hearts hense (the wee huns) so there are obviously going too be extra tension. The difference between us and rangers is simple, there bigotry is caught everyweek, ours only agaainst the glasgow and edinburgh huns. now im not using that as an excuse but the hearts fans had a banner BJK is that not offensive? im not condoning these ira songs in the slitest but why not stop acting like fairies here! theres alot worst things in the world than songs lets see the goverment anjd the media put this much effort into something useful like catching paedos n rapists

 

Good post Henke

I was meaning the likes of songs/chants/banners which could effect the families of dead footballers, John Thompson, Davie Cooper, Tommy Burns, etc. Not songs involving wars just to clear that one up.

I still feel the other songs which you refer to are pointless as far as winning a football match and boosting your teams confidence.

 

Henke.
You say "The songs we want banned are songs about heroes and villians."

Do you think a genuine living IRA hero who put his life on the line for what he believed was right, wants to sit in CP and be reminded of what now keeps him awake at night.

Yes the songs are about heroes but a lot of people suffered on both sides to make them that. and are still suffering today.

Lets forget what others sing. We are supposed to be the best and friendliest fans in Europe, but every where we go we sing about human suffering and attrocities.

Celtics board have come a long way recently and changed with the times, they want to take our great name further in the world.
I can't see how this can ever be achieved as long as the fans are not prepared to change.
What will foreignors think when they learn to understand the words of the songs.
FOOTBALL is FOOTBALL and nothing else.

 

Also a good post ARMALITE

 

My * ARMALITE you have this knack of hitting the nail on the head. Let me say that I have the greatest of respect for you and your views. There's nothing like getting a very frank and open opinion from someone who has a real idea of what it was all about. Too many people romaticise and shout their mouths off about such times without having any real idea of what really went on and of how many really suffered...........and that goes for both sides of the divide.

History in song is part of all our cultures and there's nothing to beat a good folk song but if it causes offence then keep it to the home, pub or club where it doesn't.

 

If he is still watching Celtic games then he would be listening to provo songs. If he hears songs about the Easter rising or the War of Independence then he would have to be somewhere near the 100 year old mark if those songs are about when he put his life on the line. And we are singing about OUR suffering and attrocities committed against US.

 

Henke.

The question in the post was hypothetical and relating to the present.

Whether the songs are old or new I still hold the view that they have no place in a sporting event. especialy when there are so many people with different beliefs around us today.

 

It's a shame most people mumbled the Soldier's Song most of the time on Sunday. Learn the words if you're gonna try and sing it!

 

Sorry.....but what are your thoughts on the thread topic ?

 

Oh, and I think there's nothing wrong with singing the Irish songs, etc, but IRA songs and people who want to sing them should realise there's a time and a place and Celtic matches isn't one of those places.

And an official handbook of what fans can and can't sing is a ludicrous idea. It takes away the whole spontenaeity of songs at football matches.

 

Stop being so precious.

 

ok i have one.we must stop singing these songs not all off them the ones that get us in bother. that must get sorted.
the other thing i am sick * off with its always the auld firm that sing these songs..... is it * all the other clubs fans sings that guff too but that seems to be ok cos its not us and the huns.
and as for this point deduction of course all the other teams in the spl will want it.
that is the only way they will have a chance to challenge for the title eh

 

a great point armalite 100% agree with you mate.

 

They should get it to. That's pretty much what I was posting about earlier. Points reduction is a realistic outcome. Who would have though you could demote Juventus and deduct points from AC Milan etc and it did happen