The famine song again.

the atmosphere would be just as good, singing songs which aren't offensive, and celebrate our past and present players and triumphs.

shouldn't need to sing offensive songs to generate an atmosphere.

if Rangers fans start singing about Tommy Burns, its a guarantee every celtic fan would want them punished.

 

The way they acted after his death I doubt they would imo. But that is football, it's getting turned into a TV Sport (well already has) when in actual fact it should be going back to the good old fashioned days.

 

I think legally they should be able to sing what they want, but the respective football associations, UEFA, and FIFA should be very quick and decisive to keep this stuff from embarassing them.

 

What... accusing us of exploiting his death and being "ambulance chasers"? Yea, that was really classy...

 

I think that was more towards the POD death. Sadly these sick things will happen in football, but it done Rangers fans no good and was widely criticised.

 

Yea, I agree with that... I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past the group of their fans who are known for being Neanderthals to sing something disparaging about Tommy Burns.

 

Alot of them are from the "orange" bloodline which traces back to Holland and they are definitely not "the same as me" genetically. They are naturally cold, apathetic, deceitful etc and saw celts as peasants or a lower species (still do).
blackadder springs to mind.

 

Famine song is racist, says Celtic chief Reid - Scotsman.com News

Famine song is racist, says Celtic chief Reid


Published Date: 29 September 2008
By Tristan Stewart-Robertson
<!-- google_ad_section_start --> <!-- Article Start --> CELTIC chairman John Reid condemned as "racist" one of the songs chanted by Rangers fans at the recent Old Firm derby, just hours before it was heard again at a game.
The Famine Song was sung yesterday when Rangers took on Hibernian, as Mr Reid condemned it as "racist and deeply offensive".

The former Northern Ireland Secretary has written to Celtic fans about the controversy erupted after the song was chanted during Rangers' 4-2 victory at Parkhead on 31 August.

The Ibrox club has since asked its fans to refrain from singing the song, which refers to the famine that killed an estimated one million people in the 1840s and set in motion a mass migration of Irish people.

It includes the line: "The famine's over, why don't you go home?"

Rangers also sought guidance from Strathclyde Police on the matter with a view to making singing the song an arrestable offence, although the Rangers Supporters Trust defended the chant, saying it was not racist, and no worse than any other football song.

Mr Reid said: "Few of those who sing this song will have stopped to think that famine is non-sectarian and the millions of people who died or were forced into mass emigration – some of them to Scotland – were from all faiths and traditions within Ireland.

"We should condemn racism and sectarianism without fear or favour wherever they arise. That is an essential part of Celtic Football Club's ethos."

Lothian and Borders Police reported no trouble at the match despite the song.

 

There is basically no Dutch blood in the Isles... none. This is because there's no such thing as "Dutch" blood. The Dutch genetics are almost exactly the same as the "average" blood in the British Isles. Namely, one Y-Chromosome (male descent) "grouping" is present in a little over 70% of the population in both areas. (In Ireland and Scotland this is much higher, it being almost 100% in Western Ireland and as low as 50-60% in Southeast England, but it is always dominant). This Y-Chromosome is the people from the Neolithic era, meaning they've been there for most of human history. It is very common on the Atlantic coast, with these numbers being very similar in Iberia, Western France, and the British Isles. The highest densities of this group are in the Basque Country and Western Ireland. Both areas have been able to resist genetic invasions throughout history. So William of Orange was, most likely, genetically, what you would call "Celtic."

This is the irony I find, because the "Celtic" blood (not technically Celtic but everyone calls them Celts nowadays) is predominant everywhere, even in the most "Saxon" areas of England. Religion, culture, and traditions do not equal genetic history. We (of descent from the British Isles) are all more or less the same, no matter what some people would like to believe.

 

I sometimes really wonder about some of the the people who post on here!! As i've said before, if you're willing to accept anti-Irish racism that's fine, they are all thick as * Paddy *!! Tell you what though, stick to posting on here & don't dare come into a bar in the Gorbals before the game. I'm becoming increasingly sick of the middle class, never been to a game element, of the Celtic support. I have followed the Bhoys all over Europe since the mid 80's. I shall continue to do so until some middle class * buys "my" club, & tells me i am no longer welcome with my left wing, anti-fascist politics, at Celtic Park!! Sorry but we are not a club "for everyone". I don't want to sit beside some one at Celtic Park who is a casual, part-time, Tory voting, racist. For me Celtic will always be "the club of the people". As i've said before, the war is over, so should the battle songs be, but don't ever *' dare forget where our natural support base comes from. it's places like the Garngad & the Gorbals!! Then again, some "New Celtic" fans would like to pretend these horrible, working class, Irish infested, areas did not exist!! Can't help but wonder what Brother Walfrid would make of it all!!

 

Well done for listening in biology class but male and female chromosomes are pretty much besides the point and irrelevant. What is meant by "bloodline" is the whole ancestral genetic make-up. It's been "diluted" over the years to a degree but if you spend time with these people you can tell there different. Like I said before lack of emotion (except from when there angry) and lack of empathy are the most obvious traits.

I'm not a genetic engineer so can't go deeper in to it than that.

p.s. I never used the phrase "dutch blood". That would be stupid.

 

I was going to write a huge write-up on the technicalities, but then I decided not to because I didn't want to be a smart * and I'd have to basically write an essay because you are so off base. I'm simply going to ask how much research you've done into the subject?

Also, I find it funny you found the need to denigrate me ("good job paying attention in biology") when I most likely have spent a lot more time researching this subject... considering now it is my only major (anthropology) after dropping engineering. I'm just going to say that if my professors tell me that this is a good representation of the population, and if the authors of the books I've read (Bryan Sykes for one) tell me that through their thousands of hours of research that y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA anyalysis are fairly accurate representations of the entire population's makeup, then I'm going to trust them and not you.

Also, if you think that the "Orange Bloodline" made any impact, genetically, on the Isles (William didn't have children and no military invasion) then you are crazy. The only remnant from William (and a massive one at that) is religion and culture. And while that reshaped the history of the Isles it has nothing to do with genetics and how similar we are. I'm sorry if you are offended by the fact that you are genetically similar to Rangers fans, but it's the truth... and in reality it shouldn't really matter.

 

not as bad their songs, but i agree with ur opinion , need 2 get our own house in order should b a priority. a lot of hypocrites out there

 

Can't really see how it's the same singing about the IRA, even though is it not Samaras people sing now? Either way it can't in any way be compared to this famine song. Without getting into the nitty gritty the IRA fought to get foriegn imposters treating them like second class citizens out of their country, the famine was a mixture of natural disaster and IMO almost genicidal behaviour from the English (who stopped the ban on exporting crops to England in times of famine.

That's basically it, anyone who thinks it's hypiocritical or the same thing is deluded (again IMO).

Mon the hoops

 

FFS get over it this "Famine Song" already ignore it and they will eventually get punished

 

We can't really act like good guys until our fans stop singing IRA chants at away games.

 

im not too bothered what the sing,the thing that winds me up so much is that they have been told to stop it,if they dont they will be punised,they sing more and they get away with it.........they get away with it!!!!

 

We get away with it as well though don't we?

 

i dont beleive we have been found guilty of anything,havent they been fined by UEFA?they have had numerous warnings