Wait, how do these 'IRA' songs damage our club?

Simple solution.....

Sing a song about death or injury to a human and YOU ARE DEDUCTED 3 POINTS.

What's the big deal? Just keep singing about your Paul McStays

 

It will lead to disciplinary action from the football authorities.

How's that ?

 

People watch football and people have their own political beliefs. If Chelsea fans start singing Land of Hope and glory or Rule Brittania, which is songs that they have sung in English football grounds many times, then I and many like me would find them offensive. Do you think the FA would ban them songs because they annoy me?
It seems it's okay to sing old wartime songs as long as they glorify the English.
My point is that most rebel songs that were sung at CP are old war songs, not songs glorifying the provos.
I am a supporter of the republic movement because my history is steeped in republicanism.
When English teams play in Ireland they sing anti Irish songs and nothing is thought of it by the English. When Rangers sing * save the Queen the very song makes me angry. It is a song about imperialism and is offensive to many Scots, not just Celtic supporters, yet it is the English national anthem.
Why do you think most Scots voted for Flower of Scotland to be the our national anthem? Because it's about kicking the English' arses.
These songs are historical songs so they will always upset someone. Our songs and our history and our club are intertwined and to suddenly stand up and say. 'I don't like these songs anymore because of what people will think of us is hypocrytical and gives a message of 'I want to comfom.'

We don't sing the songs at CP anymore because of what the rest of Scotland and the whole of England hate to be reminded of their shameful past.
I will continue to sing our songs when I'm with my mates, but won't sing them in mixed company out of respect for the people who might find them offensive as long as they don't sing their songs in my company. But if and English man come to one of our Celtic dos and is offended by the songs we sing then he has an option open to him. * OFF!

 

is that what they sing in the huddle?

 

except the treatment of the Irish in Scotland was nothing like that of the Africans in America

 

Henke.

I have English grandsons, when I get the oppertunity I take some of them with me to see my Celtic, home or away. Are you saying that they should * off. ?
Innocent children who only want too see this great team that I have told them about all their lives.
When at games they have questioned me about the songs and chants that they hear around them, I know it makes them feel uneasy. but I can only try to get them to focus on the football. After all that is all we are there for.
It is their right to be there and not to be offended or abused for their nationality.

 

100% agreed. Everyone is welcome at celtic park the history proves that. The past can't be changed and we wouldn't want it changed either, it served a purpose for bringing to light a serious matter. Now we can move on into a new future and not a carry a bitter past with us creating havoc and discontent.

Continuing what was done in the past is denying that we have moved forward.

people are entitled to do what they wish in their own private environment with like minded people, so CP imho is to watch the celtic play and sing songs that encourages the team to perform and makes us proud that we are not as bad as the others. Strength is accepting that by not being involved in the game other than our beloved football that by default we are showing a way forward, HUMBLE wins always in the long run. So lets be humble about our team and accept its past history and now accept the future is different.

 

Fion.

Why are supporters like you intent on damaging the good name of what is a top football club known and respected worldwide for both its football and fans ?
Have we not been under constant threat of this from the Scottish media, Rangers, etc. Do you hear these song sung in Scotland at Boxing, Tennis, Rugby etc ? I have not.
It is a wonderful sport to be enjoyed by all. Please before it is too late channel your energy into helping to keep it that way.

Who needs enemies when we have enough already on the inside.

In the gigs and celtic pubs is truly where the songs belong amongst our own.

 

Brill post Jim.

 

I think you missed the point mate.
The point I'm making is: Why is it okay for people who consider themselves British to sing their British triumphantalist songs, and we are not allowed to sing our songs of oppression? It's part of our history.
I'm not talking IRA songs, I'm talking rebellion songs.
There is a difference. Maybe if you explained the facts to your grandsons then they would understand the difference. I'm assuming they are old enough to have this explained to them.

These songs and Celtic have gone hand in hand for over a hundred years and the same goes with Rangers and their songs. Difference is the authorities will turn a blind eye to the Huns singing their songs of hatred and come down on us for singing our songs of the days gone by when the English were terrorising the population of Ireland.
And no, I'm not saying you should tell your grandsons to * off. You know that's not what I'm saying.

 

i honestly believe that the brave men and women who formed the irish republican army would have turned in their grave at the final years of the irish republican armys antics.
bombing shopping centres in manchester, and pubs up and down the country were not and could never be legitimate targets.
for me bombing british army barracks that resided on irish soil WERE legitimate targets.
so whilst i think many many celtic fans hold the core ideals of what the ira fought for it became a fight that had lost its cause.
now to the present day we find ourselves supporting a club that in many ways has become cosmopolitan throughout europe. celtic a name associatted with the higher echelons of the champions league. our club can no longer afford any links with a terrorist organisation be it from the fans singing anthems of rebellion or our club allowiing bands like the wolfetones to shoot their video inside celtic park.

its all about association and wether our association is mythological or not our clubs reputation gets tarnished if we sing/chant pro ira songs at celtic football games.

for me its a simple equation.

the ira and all that goes hand in hand with that title is a political issue.
nothing to do with football.
when i go to the football i want to follow the football club i love which has no political
issues. have you ever heard anyone at a football ground singing anything about labour, the conservatives or the snp.

leave the politics to the politicians and lets get behind our team with football songs or irish songs ( theres hundreds ) that dont glorify a terrorist organisation.

we should sing songs that pay homage to our forefathers and the founders of our club.
but it must be done to comply with what nowadays is deemed to be appropriate and for me thats fair enough.

hail hail

 

Henke,

We could ask for ever why is it O.K. for others to do as they do. But would we ever get a fair and true answer, certainly not from the people who run rangers, Scotland or Britain. And I take your point about about rebellion songs. but the problem with these is that nuetral outsiders and others don;t seem to know the difference and therefore just assume in their ignorance that songs of hatred are being sung.
I do hear IRA songs being sung at away games.

My grandchildren do understand our history, but do get confused by what they hear. I know it is hard to understand it totaly if you did not grow up with it.

I Have been there and done it all at C.P. when I was young, but I would love now for Celtic fans especially with the good reputation and respect they have built up over the last few years around the world to say we are about football and football only. The club has had many firsts in their history a gesture like that could be one of their greatest.

I have my opinion and you have yours which I respect.

 

I fully understand your point of view and know why you have it.

 

Good thread this guys. Some well argued points.

 

As long as everyone sees the others point and respects it. Don't want this turning into a big row. :icon_mrgreen:

 

All the best Henke

I wonder if this can be answered.
Is it a youngish persons view that these songs should be sung. ?

 

dont agree with it.

football is sport, lets keep it that way.

 

and to the above ^^^

I am 17 and i disagree with the IRA chanting.

 

You agree with your own post?

 

alot of rebel songs are very historical to the club and i thin htey give it an identity beynd being simply any other club