Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

I’m not quite sure what point you’re trying to make here. If Police Scotland’s response to their failure in December—when groups were allowed to chase each other around Glasgow city centre—is to overcompensate by kettling people in the middle of the road without probable cause, then that only reinforces the fact that the entire policing operation has been mismanaged. That’s the real issue here.

That’s not fair and balanced policing.

 

It was in response to RR saying the police shouldn't be employing such tactics over political banners or pyro and should be focused on things like knife crime. My point is simply that the police response was primarily due to people battering each other and causing damage around town and not policing banners.

I agree that it does look mismanaged on both occasions.

 

You really are an *, there were three French nationals taken to London Road pig station for not not having ID on them, in the UK you don't legally have to provide ID, pigs are causing trouble to justify their budget and need to take a step back either through court action or their own processes, read the article by Jeanette Findlay and educate yourself about the laws of this country

 

I think that’s the crux of the issue. You don’t need to like football “ultras” or excuse violence to see the real danger in Police Scotland misusing their powers—profiling a group of people and detaining them for hours without probable cause. Everything else being spouted on this thread on this matter is just pretty much irrelevant.

 

Would ignore the previous 2 posters lads

Only see them post in here when something happens and it's normally to stick up for the club


Or in this case the police

 

Just imagine wanks like frank mccallum if they got dealt with in a way they didn’t like.

They’d be screaming from the rafters for help from anyone and everyone. The type to talk about democratic rights in countries they know nothing about, just to be contrary. Knowing they don’t need to educate themselves.

Here is a clear abuse of law from a supposedly democratic, law abiding Police force and you have desperate attempts to justify that abuse. Talking about banners and politics etc. This spans the political spectrum, it’s about human rights. Anyone who has ever stepped outside their front door knows how dangerous a precedent Sunday could set. Hopefully a Fans Against Criminalisation comeback on the cards?

 

It’s the fact that the police doing the kettling have face coverings on that gets me.

 

The reasonings for these strongarm tactics are irrelevant. To deny anyone the right to water or toilet facilities is both deplorable and cannot be justified for any reasonably time, let alone 5 or so hours. To be detained without just cause, followed by the falsification of facts regarding the detainment is absolutely disgusting. No matter what personal feelings you have towards either 'Ultra's', 'Green Brigade' or the 'Police', there can be no excuse for treating people with a lack of respect and failing to provide the basic needs of detainees and their well being. I understand the negative attention the Police receive from the public and also recognise the authorities low opinion for some fan bases. There are good and bad on both sides of the fence. This situation appears to be an inappropriate muscle flexing by the Scottish constabulary in an attempt to right the inadequacies of their last encounter in the city centre and the rise of confrontations between fans, not only in Glasgow but a regular growing concern across the football community. It will do nothing to improve relations or repair fences from either party. People must be taken to task over these matters. Who made these decisions? What actions were used to apply these decisions? And who were the personnel enforcing these decisions? Individuals should be reimbursed for the cost of unused matchday tickets (they aren't cheap) should officers be unable to prove any law breaking, (they film everything so any claims should be easily substantiated). Body cams should be used, not only for the protection of officers, but also to the protect the public and their civil rights. I get some obnoxious gobby wee sh*t with a wideboy attitude giving a torrent of verbal abuse can light the blue touch paper in these situations and get "backs up" resulting in retaliation and consequence, (dealt with enough of them in my time and it doesn't make it right from either perspective) But to amass such a large group of peaceful supporters who, although feeling aggrieved, frustrated and victimised, have remained within the confinements of the law, and been detained without just cause or basis, it is extremely concerning. It's a testament to those fans, given the circumstances. Though I feel any transgression would have been both swift and brutal.
But as I wasn't there and I cannot claim to know every specific, neither would I dare to. But going on the overall reporting and accounts given, the general consensus appears to be overwhelming in its claim of unjustified, over policing at the expense of football fans treatment. Without the clarification on issues, how can we correctly proportion blame, Speculation is a dangerous weapon without all the absolute facts.
It's not a case of fans=good, police=bad type of thinking in every case. But on this occasion it does seem simplistic enough to apply such a thought process.

 

Good summary of the fact.......I just wonder will we ever get a structure response on the "what and the why"

 

Oh, we'll get a 'structured' response, just not likely a truthful, open and honest one. It'll be laden with bias opinions and one sided arguments by all parties desperate to claim the 'High Ground'. 'Tis the way of the world as we know it.