Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Yes, the weekend infuriated me and much as it did irritate me. Do I need any sharp objects taken off me? Behave. I hate the fact that our dearest rivals make me need to hate. I recognise that it's my pure dislike of them that probably fuels my frustration over the result. But singling out the manager and basically blaming him for a disastrous result is a tad extreme. It was him and the team that have got us to where we are in the league, one trophy already in cabinet, a semi-final, took us further in the Champions League than many of us would have dared dream. But against the filth he's become a bad manager?
We were found wanting in many areas during the game, collectively we were poor at times. Silly mistakes were punished in the harshest way. Many decisions were ignored, players hid or bottled it, the list could continue. We were simply out worked, out fought and an unfortunate calamity in the dying seconds made us pay. How we forget the second half fight back to level things up after a disastrous first 45 mins. Should we have lost? NO! Should we ever lose to 'them' * NO!
I was furious, my despair heightened by their behaviour and my resentment of the Muppet Manager and his backward backroom staff.

Hind sight is a wonderful thing, if we started better, if we took our chances, if the Ref had booked Dire-mondo earlier, if, if, if. The biggest if will always be 'if they had just stayed dead'. When we look at the trophy count come the end of the season and none of the 'ifs' will matter a jot. And that is thanks to Brendan Rogers, our manager.

 

No-one can deny Rodgers has done a great job with us however, no-one can deny that he's lost the tactical battle with the huns managers in our last three games which is deeply troubling considering one of them is a wee ned who's (failed) managerial career incude clubs like Alloa. He really has to admit to himself that he has got it horribly wrong against the huns as, if he doesn't, then next season could be more difficult than it has to be .

 

Thats me. Never wanted him back. HH

 

Need to make your peace with it mate. He's here, he has another 12months to go and has improved us in Europe, whilst securing trophies. He needs backed again to take this club forward still. There's work to be done.

Granted, he needs a major boot up the * for the way the huns game have gone recently. The next one is massive for him.

But we're successful and he plays a major part in that weather any of us like it. Enjoy him and the success whilst he's here.

 

Congratulations Rangers...enough said.

* that ....I'm still angry with what happened on Sunday from everyone at the club.

Take our money happily and take the * they give like a bunch of alter fuking boys at confession.

 

Needs to get us playing better against those *.
Some of it's on the players for * the bed, but this possession at all costs stuff needs to stop or at least be relaxed. It gives other teams too much time to get back into shape and sometimes causes us to put ourselves under unnecessary pressure.
He talks about pace and power constantly too, but I'm still yet to really see it in this team tbh. Maybe that's not on him and he's identified targets and the board haven't delivered.

 

Ultimately I dont think our players, particular in defence, are good enough on the ball to play the his system when met how Rangers are countering it.

Our patterns are pretty well established, so our players know what they are looking for when on the ball. But that also makes them predictable. Especially if not moving the ball quickly and giving the opposition time to set. Most often a variation of Schmeichel=>AJ=>(Kuhn who nearly always looks to cut inside) while AJ runs an overlap.
Schmiechel=>CCV=>McGregor who looks to lay the ball off. Etc

Rangers just sit on and press the guys they know our defenders are looking to pass to and our guys either struggle to get the ball moving forward or force a pass thats never on which results in being turned over in a dangerous area.

 

A defender who (along with being an absolute physical beast) can step out and break the press confidently and hit nice fast accurate 20yrs passes, that's what I feel we need... not too much to ask fer.... Virgil Van Dijk, someone like him.

 

I also think it would be quite easy to turn the table on Rangers as we know exactly how they are going to set up. Use McGregor or Kuhn coming deep as a decoy and then launch one in behind for Maeda to chase. Ive no doubt it would cause the huns panic in the ranks and they would start second guessing everything

 

True, but at 2 - 0 I didn't think we'd get back to that 2 - 2 position. To then blow it in the way we did made me think that we got what we deserved.

We played badly and deserved to get beat. I don't really see any argument against that.

Certainly we shouldn't panic about winning the league, but the worrying thing is it's not clear we will learn anything from this game. We've had opportunities before and not taken them.

 

Seriously? Ok, I'll bite.

Firstly, I never said that 13 points wasnt due to our consistency. Youve very conveniently left out the entire purpose of that point. Since you seem to find reading complete posts challenging before you jump on them with accusations, I'll write in caps; WE CANT RELY ON SEVCO BEING INCONSISTENT NEXT YEAR. All signs point to the opposite. And again, if the title comes down to head to heads, we'd be *. Can you comprehend that? Or at least give me argument to change my mind?

Secondly, youre talking absolute * * by saying everytime we struggle I say we're/ Im "done". I dont expect us to consistently perform against the cream of European football. Any ire in that sphere is directed at Lawwell and Desmond. Same for Rodgers as any past manager we've had. We invested, we done better. End of.

Lastly, Rodgers doesn't deserve "credit" for the league title. Its the absolute minimum requisite to remain a Celtic manager in this current domestic climate. We outspend every other team in the league put together, and are levels, plural , above anyone else in terms of structure. So no, Im not going to suck Rodgers' * because because hes doing his domestic duties adequately.

Trebles are another matter, and require a different level of committment and perseverance, so yes, credit could be there.

The only real credit he has in the bank is for the vastly improved performances in Europe this season, and theres a question mark there over how much of that was to do with improved spending. Do you think if we handed Ange that money he couldn't have got us to the play offs in the new format? Genuine question.

Saying he deserves as much credit for delivering his mandated responsibility, as criticsm for what you call "losses" in absolute nonsense.

If anyone of us was doing the job required of them, no more, and then made THREE monumental * ups, without learning a single thing, youd be pulled into the office and questioned as to why dont seem to be learning from your mistakes, and basically told to cut it to * out.
You don't get any extra credit for doing the * job youre paid to do.

The majority of your reply was aimed at me, ignoring anything written and throwing accusations about bias.

Id * LOVE someone on here to give me a rational argument as to why Im wrong, id feel alot * less anxious about next season, and genuinely thank them, instead of the usual "you hate oor Brendan" pish, or "yoor a doomsday merchant" balls.

Just hit the ignore button ffs.

 

What surprises me is the sheer outrage at the fact that the Hun games aren't a walkover anymore. I hate to break it to you, kids; but sooner or later, they will even get their act together and win the league. There's even going to come a point when they are the better team for a while. That's just life.

What we want is to push that point further into the future and to make their dominance, when it comes, a one-season "flash in the pan" like the COVID year. To do that, the best way is to focus on modernising our operation, sorting out our academy and backing Rodgers while we have him.

Rodgers is one of the best managers we have ever had. Back him while we have him. Pushing him out the door will only hasten the day when we are not on top and focussing on him rather than necessary modernization will only lengthen the time before we get back on top.

Honestly, if Rodgers goes this summer, I'm convinced we'll all regret it.

 

None of us have the foggiest idea how consistent the Huns will be next year. They are a team in transition and we don't even know who their manager will be.

 

Haven't posted much about Sunday as was away on holiday. Tactically we obviously played into the huns hands again, however, I personally feel him coming out and bigging up the importance of the game the minute the Hibs game was done was counterproductive. We looked under more pressure than the huns despite beingt the team at home, with a 16pt cushion and a trophy in the bag already. Surely downplaying the occasion and keeping the players relaxed and confident would have favoured us more? Make the Huns feel the pressure as they're the ones with the pride and points to claw back..

 

So no credit for winning the league and only a wee bit for winning the treble. Must be a * lot of Celtic managers who are seen as being somewhat of a failure going by your logic. Basically every manager apart from Jock Stein doesn’t deserve much credit. That what we are saying now?

 

Reflected on the game. Still fuxking annoyed really. But here we go.

The perfect storm so to speak. Too many players well, well below standard and hiding.

Missing a few first team players and looking at that bench, paying for the effects of having another poor window In January.

That aside, Rodgers now has major questions to answer. In the games, he's failed to beat Rangers in 90mins conceding 9 in doing so. Now, he is either arrogant or had a total blindside to the huns. He hasn't figured out how to beat their press. They clog the channels meaning passes have to be spot on, so.little margin for error from our players, but our game was littered with them in Sunday. He hasn't changed the set up enough in these games. This is something he needs to look at ASAP especially going to Asbestos dome.

He's been handed his * by Clement and Barry Ferguson and his band of merry EBT clansman. Why is that? By changing their shape and pressing high. That was it. That's essentially what it took. Looking back over the last 2 games, the writing was in the wall after 15mins of each game. We looked lost and afraid.

Aye, players will come back, and we'll be better for it, but they were on the pitch for the NY game and that was * atrocious.

So plaudits to Rodgers overall so far, but he needs to change it up, cause Ibrox next month will be another watch from through our fingers.

 

Think its ok for fans to be gutted at the recent Old Firms. Its the marquee game the league offers and at this point in time we have better players, a better manager and are much better run. We should be beating this rangers team, especially at home. Since Rodgers has come back the fixture has become a 50/50 despite him enjoying more advantages in squad quality and stability off the park. And hes meant to be a miles better manager. I rate rogers which makes it all the worse how hes toiling against an average rangers team that are in a bit of a mess and set up against us in a predictable manner. Suffering a himilating loss in ibrox followed by losing at home to them with a collection of failures in their dugout is pretty poor stuff and think supporters being unhappy about it is fair enough. Hes a good manager but hes making hard work of this fixture now against the one domestic rival we have. I think its actially rogers himself more than the fans who is refusing to accept this fixture has changed and is assuming we just need to turn up. Too accustomed to the days of dogshite pedro / murty teams at 5-0 skelpings

 

What’s happening with us is the same thing happening at liverpool in my view


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Rodgers didn't send out the players to be passive, negative, give the ball away constantly and make mistakes at the back.
That's on the players.

Not adapting the game plan to what's in front of you, and not learning from previous games - that's on Brendan.

Assuming he's so stubborn/arrogant and is never going to change his approach, then the only way to improve is via first class, ambitious recruitment combined with a highly motivated squad of players, with strong leadership and personality (the biggest gap we have) as well as technically (our biggest strength).
That's on the board and the manager.

Big summer incoming in terms of both keeping the manager and taking the squad up a level.