Foreign refs for derbies? (Galatasary v Fenerbache)

A Slovenian ref brought in for tonight’s game. Both clubs requested a foreign ref. We should be doing the same when playing against the scum.

 

Any streams

 

Finished 0-0 with 7 million yellow cards

 

Remember when foreign officials came in after the Dougie McDonald situation and they were horrendous

 

They paid for the guy who had the CL final last season..

Since VAR its been more difficult for referee's to cheat in the big games v them.

However, it's the accumulation of little things.. every 50/50 going against us, not playing advantages etc. Anything to stop the flow of the game so we never gain momentum.. it can be glaring at times.

The clubs need to help subsidise full time refs, better VAR and recruit refs from outside Scotland if need be for those full time posts.

It's farcical a ref in this country can officiate our games and even their games, when they've supported the other side when younger or whatever..(mostly Huns tbf)

Until, this happens we should absolutely look at refs from outside Scotland for the biggest games.. although it's not a good look for the SFA.

A better standard of officiating and a better version of VAR is absolutely neded. Even if it costs the clubs to implement.

And we should be leading the way in pushing for it.

 

I mean we won 9-0 I thought they were great

 

I would rather have * officials than cheating one's

 

A statement I agree with.....however, how can you tell the difference between * and cheating??

 

The * one's are foreign .. the cheating one's are Scottish

 

I've mentioned before but a big part of the bias towards the Huns was because of their financial situation. The Huns have been on the brink for years. Why do people think they regularly and publicly shamed their own finances over the years? It's been a threat to the Scottish Football authorities, who themselves will be in hot water if the Huns go under again.
Things have improved this season for two reasons, in my opinion:

1. The Huns have finally stopped that behaviour and began to downsize themselves rather than constantly threaten to go under. There has clearly been a shift in mentality - no doubt linked to this impending takeover.

2. Collum has started publicly airing what referees are saying through his VAR programme. Remember the audio of the referee 'coaching' the Hun through the game? They've had to behave themselves because at the moment there's no where to hide.

Honestly this 'foreign refs' thing reeks of an overly simplistic Celtic da idea to me. Hun supporters refereeing Hun / Celtic games is obviously a problem and shouldn't be allowed, but thinking that bias will suddenly disappear with foreign refs is equally ridiculous.

Was our referee vs. Bayern biased because he's a boyhood Munich fan? Or was he biased because you get the big games from UEFA if you favour the team they want to go through? The same would happen here. Be generous to the Huns = get more games and more money - and no one can claim 'bias'.

As if random unaccountable foreign refs coming in for the odd big game here and there will be completely incorruptible. It's naivety, in my opinion.

 

Ain't going to happen.
I'm sure we or they would find a tenuous link to a ref being part Irish - even if from outer Mongolia!
We need to keep the pressure on increasing standards in our own game.
Bringing foreigners in stops that progression
It would be like us bringing Harry Kane in for old firm games, great short term - but what does that do for our own strikers?

 

I dont watch enough foreign leagues to have a real opinion on foreign ref standard vs scotland, but based on EPL refs and european cup refs I don't think it would change anything to be honest. Over the course of a few seasons I expect key penalty/goals allowed or disallowed data would be pretty consistent with what it is currently.

It's a bad look for the league and I wouldn't be in favour. And to be honest I can't remember thinking a ref has been biased against us in favour of rangers in a derby match for a long time.

 

9-0 against who? Aberdeen 2010?

Alan Muir was the ref that day, just looked it up

 

I have been working on a piece progressively throughout the season on the state of officiating, and while some things remain an issue, there has been some very clear progress made under Willie Collum.

Foreign referees is a 'band aid' solution. It doesn't fix the problem, it merely covers it up for the moment and is a mercenary solution at best.

What Collum is doing is implementing change in a much more necessary, deep seeded structural and cultural way, which is not going to happen overnight, but it is there if you want to see it. There is evidence of it and clear gradual progress is being made. Anyone who thinks that he has a magic wand to make things instantly better is deluded, but it is there.

VAR is obviously among the most high profile so it is what most people's attention is drawn to, but there is far more to it than just that.

The work is not finished, but there are very definitely steps made in the right direction. Since Collum took the reins, there has been significantly more communication and transperancy, there is increased consistency, accountability and notably there are consequnces.

There is no magic wand in this. It takes time, especially to implement such deep foundational change, but there are undoubted signs of that taking shape.

While it is not in place yet, one thing I would very much like to see would be the implementation of a referee ranking - and make it known, or at least that it becomes obvious - and for that referee to get the best games, week in, week out, until they either falter or someone proves to be even better.

Competition is healthy, and it also immediately does two other things.

It sets a higher bench mark to excel and raises standards overall, than simply being 'competent' or 'good enough' and plateau at that.

If other referees to want to aspire to get to be the best, that if they want to be appointed to a Cup Final or a big derby game, then they have to earn it by being the best, not just 'who's turn is it?' as it pretty much always has been in Scotland, once referees reach a certain level.

In a perfect world, that should not and would not be necessary; that no matter who the official is, they should all be good. But as much as that is ideal, it is not realistic. It works in other sports, it works in football in other countries.

Besides, doing the way that it has been done for the past 100 years or more is clearly no longer working. It is not providing the best possible referees for the Scottish game and it's not providing the constant ongoing challenge to individual referees themselves, to attain that and to go beyond.

 

I believe you mean Alăn Murios