[Official TC Thread] January Transfer Window 2025 - 3rd Feb 11pm Deadline

This is the way the board should be thinking.
Can spend that on 2 good players to come jn as first team ready and still be sitting pretty.
Not the best window for clubs especially euro tournaments but if we can it really helps us for the summer with potential qualifiers

 

Its really wild! Thats why I can fathom the negativity some spew on here. We are in such a solid place.

 

I also think there's a more practical approach as well. Signed a lot of nonsense over the years, and to be fair to the staff, they've done well to move them on a make profit.

Now we're in a better place with a lack of squad fillers, scouting taking shape, I reckon we'll get a couple in and start to shop more wisely going ahead.

 

It's due to temporary non residence rules the UK have set up to protect themselves from individuals going to earn a tax free salary somewhere else for a short period of time.

 

So I understand (sort of) that side from protecting UK citizens, but Jota was never one? He just happened to work and live here on a working visa.

I still just can't fathom how we can take tax money from someone who doesn't owe us anything and isn't part of our legal system in any way.

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Like, say someone from Spain/Portugal/Germany came to Scotland to work on the north sea on the rigs.
Done a 6 month contract then went to work 6 months on Saudi and then 6 months in Iraq on the rigs/oil, then came back to the UK to do another contract in the north sea.

Why should/would that person have to pay tax to the UK for the time they worked in Saudi? Just because it's tax free there?

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If you work in the UK on any sort of visa, you become subject to UK laws. If he comes back to the UK he'd be agreeing to be subject to those laws again, which would include the tax situation. His nationality isn't relevant, it's his residence and working status that is.

 

Makes sense in writing, I just still don't understand how we get away with it.

So what if a Saudi lad has worked all his days in Saudi and comes over to the UK to work a 6 month contract to help an industry - we gonna tax them then?

Honestly, baffles me how we can tax them here

I assume this is just a Saudi thing though, and we don't tax someone again if they worked in another country?

Say Jota had went to Australia, china, anywhere else for 18 months then came back?

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That would depend on residence status and if their income is classed as UK income, or foreign income i.e. who's actually paying them.

As far as I know it's not just a Saudi thing. It depends on the financial year that runs April to April and residence status and also where the income originated (UK vs not UK).



https://www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income

Residence status looks to be one of the key components from what I can see.

 

Surely, for the first part, it's Saudi paying a Portuguese citizen?
Surely Jota would have given up his residency (perhaps not if it was timed) by leaving the country for more than a set time period (90 days?).

Just honestly, baffles me we get away with it.

I get if you're a UK citizen/resident etc and you're working for a foreign company, but your working in the UK, then you pay UK taxes.
Just cant wrap my head around the fact we get away with taxing a foreigner for working in another foreign country.

(Everything you've said I don't mean to argue with, just the entire thing seems mental to me. Totally get it if a British passport holding person who still claims to be living in the UK was working there, but not in the way a footballer would).

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Aye it's Saudi paying a Portuguese citizen who was resident in Saudi Arabia. Jota was previously a UK resident being paid by a UK club, and if he returns to the UK as a working resident he may become subject to tax on his foreign income.

Look at it this way, the UK have set up these laws and if you don't want to be subject to it again after already working here, then don't come back. If he wants to come back and work here again, he has to agree to the laws we've set up even if it feels unfair to be taxed on income from a foreign country. Him being a British passport holder or not isn't relevant to it, most workers resident in the UK are subject to income tax.

I'm no expert on the subject mate, but I think it's basically because if he moves back to the UK, his residency status affects how he'd be taxed on his foreign income.

If you want an unfair tax law, US citizens get taxed on their income worldwide, even if they don't live in the USA any more.

 

Yeah heard that about the Americans, that is truly crazy! Double taxed in most cases then as well.

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I know what you mean, I felt the same, but the more I think about it I guess we’re making the wrong assumption that tax should be closely tied to citizenship.

After all, if hypothetically Jota did come back and was taxed, and you and I did the same thing, it would feel wrong that he could avoid that tax money but you and I would need to pay just because he can say he’s from somewhere else.

 

Jota isnt even linked ffs can yas just agree to give it a rest.

 

Go spend now ffs

 

Surely we're bringing in a striker if Kyogo is going.