Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Aye, it concerns me how spoiled we've become it's like we have to win every game with swashbuckling aplomb, or there is problems or weaknesses to address. People get worried way too quickly .

I feel like even if we won a treble the next 2 years and got to the playoffs or last 16 both years, there will be a mass panic as soon as we lose a trophy or have a bad year in Europe.

It's embarrassing. Where does it end though? Not that im advocating it but do we need a period of domestic failure to humble us? (Probably not based on how deluded the huns are). How is it enjoyable to ALWAYS demand more?

 

I know we have spies on follow follow * site.

They will have spies aswell. Bur surely they can be found out by how little they post and how long they've been a member.

Personally I think that is a sad life pretending your a hun and having a membership on their sites. Billy Williamson, Larkhall, joined - 2010, posts - 6.

 

Rogers is probably as close to as good a manager we could realistically get at Celtic.

Unfortunately the league we are in is pretty * and largely uncompetitive though. So the manager and squad will be judged on not just winning, but how well we win and how well we play.

 

The thing is, it's honestly the same 3 or 4 users that post utter * when we do have a minor wobble.

They go completely missing when things go good, but the minute we drop points they're suddenly back.

You'd hope a win on Tuesday will calm people down, but I honestly don't think it will change much, and if we do lose i don't think even a treble would bring fans back on board with Rodgers.

 

The weird thing is the last two games were better performances than we've seen in about a month or two, in terms of our movement and passing and creating chances but we almost never won either game.

Feels like now the past 2 months, we play pretty dull and end up winning 3 and 4 nil out the blue or play well and end up scraping draws and 1 goal wins

We need to put both together, play well and win 4-0.

 

A domestic draw, a missed chance or pass - and certain fans go mental.

It’s so obvious, and sadly predictable, to look back at the early 90’s and having to endure the other sides success across the city, to really appreciate how dominant we have become over the last few years.

And a huge part of that was fans, showing patience during the rebuild of Celtic Park and supporting players/managers despite their occasional short comings.

Let’s not lose sight of that, it’s what makes our club so special

 

See being fair if either Kyogo or Idah hit a bit of goal scoring form we would still be absolutely flying.

Maeda and Kuhn have both put up good numbers this season across domestic and European football, Engels all be it mainly from set plays has strong numbers, Alastair Johnston, Taylor and Hatate is sitting on 6 goals and 1 assist but has an expected assists contribution of about 4.

When you look at our performance metrics it’s clear to see our finishing hasn’t been what it should be for our strikers. Idah has a higher expected goals contribution than Ranger’s new superstar despite playing about 2 games less of minutes but has 4 fewer goals than him.

Kyogo has scored the same number of goals as Dalby at Dundee Utd despite having been expected to score 5 more than him this season in a similar number of minutes on the park in the league.

For example if one of our strikers hit form like Igamane has for them he would score a serious number of goals. Like if they had that run where you swing your boot or put your head on things in and around the box and it goes in. I know a lot has been made about lack of chances but the numbers behind our performances don’t suggest that.

 

I think a bit of balance is needed re: our form this season. I thought up until Leipzig we were genuinely superb (Dortmund game aside). After that there have been some very questionable performances to say the least. Some good, some average and some shockers. But I'd say more average than good (or bad).

The games vs Young Boys and Aston Villa will give us a clearer indication of where we're at. Young Boys' form in Europe and domestically is * poor, whilst Villa have been inconsistent this season and aren't playing amazingly well at the moment either. I'm not expecting us to get a result at Villa, but I expect us to beat Young Boys given what's at stake.

I just hope those feeble performances vs Brugge and Zagreb don't come back to haunt us (and they were feeble, let's not dress it up). They shouldn't matter if we get the job done on Wednesday though.

 

I enjoy the winning but I enjoy winning even more when it counts. The way we showed up against Brugges, Zagreb and Rangers twice really * me off. And I'm trying to account for why it is and I can't just blame it on the weather. They're phoning it in all too often.

I feel like we've been here and I know how it goes. There's no use snapping out of it when they're on the bus home from Birmingham and it's too late. I want them come for blood on Wednesday. I don't want to see a hangdog expression and hear words such as 'quality', 'naive' and 'clinical' for the umpteenth time. No excuses, we have every opportunity to progress in Europe and the squad should be hungry as * for that.

 

I think you made a post (which I totally agreed with) about how we would win games 3-0 but we would score all our chances, like there wouldn’t be many chances where you say, “Aw how did that not go in”.

Since that post, we’ve been missing a barrel load of “aw how did that not go in!” chances and only drawing or winning 2-1.

So typical.

 

Just watched the highlights of the Kilmarnock game again and does anyone else notice how many easy tap ins we can have? I think the players are a bit too greedy at times and always look to finish or shoot rather than play an easy pass across for a tap in. Noticed it loads after the last few weeks.

 

By looking at the stats, Kyogo's goals havent really dropped off dramatically.

He had a poor return last season, in comparison with the season before, but hes already on the way to beating his tally from last year. 19 in all comps last year, 12 so far this year.

Take into account that a new manager with a new system was in play last year, as well as this season theres been a drop off from the entire team clinically.

So whilst im readily critical of Rodgers and his intransigence as a manager, Kyogo also might appear to need to get the finger out.

My major gripe with Rodgers is his attitude.

Imo hes already on his way to losing a large section of the support; the disastrous and utterly shameful Sevco result, yapping at fans about KT, persisting with Scales, waxing lyrical about Taylor, poor performances... These things all add up.
He left under a cloud the last time, and many fans haven't actually forgave him for the manner in which he left. So by that metric, he will ALWAYS be on thin ice.

If performances dont pick up, and * forbid the fans dont get the result against YB theyre EXPECTING, the attitudes that are bubbling at the moment could turn nasty.

Ive already stated I'd like to see him gone at the end of this season. But I dont want him gone under a cloud of resentment.

 

He hasn’t persisted with Scales though has he? Even after Trusty had a nightmare against Dundee, he stuck with him for the game at the weekend.

You’ve hit the nail on the head however about some fans having never forgiven him for leaving first time round. This is basically where the attitude from some of our support comes from. We have just went a full calendar year losing only 2 games, we have a shocker at Ibrox on the 2nd and folk were wanting him out, whilst we were still 11 points ahead with one trophy already won. I mean, that’s just idiotic to say the least. We battered Kilmarnock at the weekend and should have scored 4 or 5. However, certain fans have now bought into this narrative that we have been playing slow and ponderous for months and then because we don’t score the 4 or 5, have thrown this accusation out again. Which was just nonsense. The reaction to a handful of performances where we’ve dropped off a bit has been laughable, especially considering we’ve still won some of these games as well, and lost only 1 (excluding Dortmund) as that come at a point when everyone agreed we were flying.

 

From being anti BR and not wanting him back after he bogged off, I don't have any issue with him now and can't actually see what the fuss is all about, we're doing fine.

 

The best manager we could hope for!!! We play on a * wee league so attracting top class managers is not an option unless they are Celtic supporters, I introduce Brendan Rodgers.

 

I've not slagged Rodgers off, I think we're lucky to have him and it worries me that he might leave in the summer. I even think there's a section of the fanbase that really underappreciates him. The fact is that when he leaves, we are unlikely to get a manager of a similar calibre. If we appoint an OK/mediocre manager (which is quite likely as we have done plenty of that in the past TBH), then at some point, the Huns will have their turn on top. So I really want Rodgers to stay longer and build a legacy and I'd love to hear the fans stroking his ego by singing his name.

Having said that, I am genuinely worried by the drop off since the last international break. We've gone from playing some of the best football I've seen at Celtic (quite genuinely!) to some really poor performances and awful football.

I'm aware that there are reasons for this (fixture congestion, injuries, bugs, weather conditions and pitches) and it's no accident we saw a drop off in the same period last season and that could serve as an excuse for the Dundee game; but it doesn't explain the Rangers game, because they face all the same problems.

So that performance worries me. It doesn't worry me for this season's league (we have enough of a gap that Rangers can't win it, we can only lose it); but it worries me for the cup and for next season.