Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Add 6 - 0 Madrid.

 

He simply has to park his pride (or snap out of his delusion) and set us up to be harder to play through in Bergamo. Otherwise it'll be another horror show and game over at HT again.

4-5-1 with Kuhn and Maeda helping defend out wide, two deep 8s and Hatate in the 10 to try play on the counter to Kyogo.

 

It was interesting listening to Lennon on the commentary. He clearly couldn't believe that we didnae change anything as the game went on.

 

I'm not saying that it's not a terrible result or that Rodgers isn't responsible. Only that he isn't the only issue that needs addressed.

He's taking the club forward and has obvious failings. Both those things can be true.

 

We played 5 at the back when PSG smashed us..

So that's not always the answer, for me he should have varied it and Engels & McGregor sitting in a 4-2-3-1..

He definitely needs to try something else in Italy.. probably won't tho..

 

That's pretty ironic, given he didn't change anything across a whole season.

Lennon's team in that game would maybe have fared better. But only because they'd have started more defensively.

 

I've loved every minute of this season bar last night obviously, so I don't want to moan too much but once again we have been embarrassed in Europe because we insist on trying to go toe to toe with teams who are superior to us away from home. LEARN AND ADAPT for * sake. He's not dumb so why do we continue to do it?

 

I knew we would be brought down to earth last night, just didn't think it would be that embarrassing...

He's been carried away by results in pre-season and an excellent start to the season, especially v Bratislava.. in some ways you can't blame him for thinking we could go toe to toe.. in other ways you'd think he'd learn from being the dominant team in Scotland trying to make the elite level step up.

Within 10mins tho and how open we were, he had to change there and then..

It's all about how we perform in next rest of the Campaign, all is not lost..

We'll lose v Atalanta and Villa .. just want more streetwise performances in those games.. the other games we have a genuine chance of taking points.

Need to show a reaction now, starting on Sun..

 

Lol...the 7up bottle

 

As above, I expected last night to be a reality check but was hoping for a better performance.

One of the biggest issues tactically was playing a high line against such a pacey front three, with our back not having the pace to match. Time and time again we were sliced open so easily.

 

Another heavy european defeat and another embarrassment to add to the list for Rodgers.

Does not adapt his tactics to respect the opponent and seen us badly exposed again.

Its 100% on Rodgers for me and he simply hasnt learned from all his experience in europe. We looked miles off a champions league level side.

 

I still have full confidence in our system and way to play. It has all to do with quality of players in the backline. If we had CCV, and another CB as good as him, and a quality LB, we would instantly skyrocket in quality from the back. We are just to weak there and don't have the quality to play our way out.

We could park the bus yes, but we dont have the players suited for that. That is a Lenny type team with complete different players. Its give and take. Those type of teams would hurt us domestically instead.

With investment, we will become a decent side.

with all this said, ofc we should do some tweaks when we play a Dortmund away, but not change the foundation of our play. With good players comes good results.

 

That's 6-1 acshhhhuly

 

No, it was 6-0. Athletico Madrid. Actually

 

History under Rodgers tells me that you are wrong. The issues last night didnt stem from centre back. Even with CCV, we still would have been beaten heavily.

We were particularly poor in midfield and our positioning. From being allowed to run through the lines unchallenged for the first, to Engels playing too far forward - given that we play with three forward players, we cant afford for Engels not to offer more protection to our backline. We need his power in the middle of the pitch in both attack and defence.

For their second we were nowhere in midfield. We can be so slack against top sides.

 

If we set up the same way against Atalanta I’ll be furious.

 

I agree to some extent mate, but look at it this way. Maybe a unrealistic thought but just play with the thought.

Lets say we had Dortmunds back line. Would our system still fail? Im not saying we can attract that kind of quality, but if we had a fit Tierney and a really good CB next to CCV, i think we are going to become a incredible team. With the exact same midfield and front 3 as we have now.

The problem is that we (understadably - spelling?) invest mostly in the midfield / attack because we get away with having low quality defenders domestically. We need to rethink that.

The sad truth is that our defense is *. As they only have to defend for 8 games per season. Imagine the s hock when they suddenly come up against a Dortmund after chilling playing St Johnstone all the time.

The best thing that could happen to us is that the SPFL teams start to attack us. That way our defense can actually learn and develop our defensive side.

 

In fairness we played the majority of that game with 10 men.