Gustaf Lagerbielke

He also pretty much snubbed Bernardo for a long time last season before he ended up playing him.

When you go back further also he did the same to Christie, Christie only eventually got on the park after Arzani and Kouassi done their kneees and I think Sinclair was also injured, he'd preferred Morgan and Johnston over Christie. Came on at Murrayfield, ran riot against Hearts and stayed in the team getting like a goal or assist per game for months after despite Rodgers having him for 18 months and hardly playing him.

Could also say the same of Ajer, he played Ajer in his first game then binned him and loaned him out in the January, the next season Ajer ended up playing every game as if he'd miraculously appeared out the blue a year later far better than he was. Where he was incapable of getting near the team for O'Connell, Sviatchenko, Siminovic and Toure.

Edouard too, when he was on loan under Rodgers barely anything was thought about him until near the end of the season as he'd hardly played. He only started 3 games before January.

He's definitely not the best judge of player.

 

You said “Just our * luck.” Which suggests you think it’s just bad luck that Rodgers doesn’t fancy either player. If you didn’t mean that then apologies, but what did you mean if not that?

 

Let's be honest mate, you just hate Rodgers and can't say a good word about him.

 

Think we all considered Bernardo not good enough last season, after his few games at Christmas time, he went backwards again and most on here agreed he didn't deserve hi starts.

Christie, done well at the sheep on loan and looked certain to make that move permanent in due time, most again probably felt that was his level and could see it happening.
He came in, as you say, rocked it and never looked back. Some players take that time to grab their opportunities.

Ajer, Rodgers always stuck by him not being a midfielder (what he was when he joined, so no point comparing to CB of the time) and put him out on loan to learn that position
He came back excellent and the change in position, advised by Rodgers, worked for everyone.

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"That managers are having signings forced on them?"

So which signings have been forced on the managers and which have they picked themselves?

 

A bad judge of player. Yet he won every single trophy available when he was here. And would have probably won three trebles on the bounce if he finished his third season.

 

The two in discussion would be the obvious ones.

Or do you think Rodgers and other managers regularly like to sign players they don't fancy?


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I’d put my mortgage on it that the likes of Yang, Tilio, Kwon and probably Holm were all coming here whether it was Ange, Rodgers or Mickey Mouse that was our manager last season.

 

I don't hate him, I think he's a decent manager probably better than 95% of managers about or even higher.

But he's not like a perfect manager, Ange I would say could spot a player far better and was far better in the transfer market.

Thats Rodgers weakness to me.

That and i'd say he is a shitebag, at all his teams he hates losing his best players, probably as he doesn't trust himself to replace them and likely why his teams always end up going stale. He needs to have more bottle to rebuild teams over and over. Especially when managing Celtic as players like to move on from us to better League and better money, we can't trap * here because you as a manager are * it thinking you can't replace them, other managers have done it plenty of times.

 

You said Managers which would then take it out with just Lagerbielke and Nawrocki.

Who's the other players that were not chosen by Rodgers, Ange and Lennon? Should be plenty more than those 2.

 

Any one's that came outwith these in the last 5 seasons?

 

Tilio, arzani, Kwon, McCarthy, Lawal, Yang, Holm, kobi, Bernabie, Hacksaw, barkas, laxalt, bolingoli, luca connell, kilmala, sved, Izzy (second time), burke, Perez, gutman, toljan...

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Ange spent £26m in his first season. Rodgers spent £33m in his whole 6 windows. Completely different level of investment by the club. Was Rodgers recruitment all that great? No, he got things wrong but there was clearly players he wanted and targeted that the board failed to sanction. Wanted McGinn, got Mulumbu. Wanted Schar, got Benkovic on loan. Wanted Piccini, got Toljain on loan. Wanted a new left back in to help rotate Tierney. Got Izaguirre back from the middle east.

Ange made some utterly woeful recruitment decisions, too. Sold GG, got Oh in. Sent Jenz packing early, brought in Kobayashi. Signed Ideguchi, Bernabei, Shaw, McCarthy, Haksabanovic, Abildgaard... the list goes on. There's also the real possibility that players like Yang, Kwon and Tilio were being brought in by the club regardless of who was manager.

 

Would you disagree with the ones I’ve mentioned?

Sorry, just to go back though. What did you mean by “Just our * luck” that Rodgers didn’t fancy Lagerbielke or Nawrocki.

 

Can see why they punted the new CEO at the time. Spent to much on quality.

 

No inside knowledge so largely guess work but I think the club knew Ange May only stay for a limited period of time so moved to bring in a Head of Recruitment/ basically Director of Football type figure to provide continuity.

What actually happened was Ange left sooner than expected. We also brought in the wrong person who was ill equipped for the Head of Recruitment role.

Holm, Yang, Tilio, Kwon and Nawrocki were all players we had been scouting and were someway down the line signing by the time Rodgers arrived.

When Rodgers was convinced to comeback as manager, he was told we have a recruitment process you will get a say but we are going with this. Rodgers liked the sound of this as he typically has been a head coach working with a recruitment team at Liverpool, Celtic first time and Leicester.

Things went wrong when he realised the level of players that were being brought in were miles below what he was expecting. We lose to Killie in the cup and draw with St Johnstone while key first team players Alastair Johnston, CCV and Hatate drop like flies for long stints. Rodgers isn’t happy that his second stint is at risk of becoming shambolic and targets EPL level players like Podence and grows frustrated the club can’t get deals done. He wants other EPL players like Phillips in on loan. We beat Rangers and everyone is a bit happier. Until the CL starts and despite looking ok for the first 3 matchday’s we only have a point. At this stage Palma looks a good signing though.

We then hit the downturn of the season where injuries start to really mount up and we are down to bare bones, we draw with Hibs, Motherwell and get beat by Killie and Hearts. Rodgers agrees to go with Recruitment team again, isn’t happy with what he is presented. Goes tonto and gets Mark L and his buddy punted.

The club has no plan for summer recruitment other than Brendan leading on who he wants. However, we don’t have people in place to really deliver on this or Rodgers as well as being head coach and over in the US, doesn’t have the capacity to really be leading our recruitment efforts if top targets don’t happen. They haven’t happened and now we are looking to find some alternatives in a scatter gun fashion.

After this window we need to get a head of recruitment in that Rodgers is happy to work with.

 

He had no choice with GG. He wanted first choice or an exit.

Most ppl thought Haksa was gonna be a pler, zero doubt he was technically gifted.

Ideguchi was a squad player.

Bernabei looked a prospect too, there was alot if hype on here about him, he was just clueless as a footballer.

I dont know that he sent jenz packing either, wasnt it sometbing to do with wage demands?

I doubt he knew who tf mccarthy was, and i think we can all assume that was Celtic good ol
bhoys club special.

Abilgaard also came highly recommended and hyped. He was supposed to be the new Ajer.

The only one i agree with entirely is kobayashi... Who presence here utterly baffles me to this day.

The point being that * on Ange record in the market as a defence of BR's is a bit bitchy.

BR's record in the market has been questioned at every club hes been at, and it was, and still is a MAJOR concern of mine when we reappointed him.

Hes a great man manager, fantastic at developing young talent, and easily one of the best "homegrown" tactical minds in the UK. But he cant spot a player, nor choose someone (ahem) to do for him to save his life.

I wanted a DoF hired the moment he was linked. I still want one.

Do i trust him as a coach. Yes.

Do i trust him in the market. No.

 

A lot to digest here so here it goes.

"He had no choice with GG. He wanted first choice or an exit."
GG wanted a new contract. That was why he left. He has since explained that in numerous interviews since leaving us.

"Most ppl thought Haksa was gonna be a pler, zero doubt he was technically gifted."
Most people thought Lagerbielke was going to be a good signing. The fact is, none of them were.

"Ideguchi was a squad player."
A squad player that wasn't good enough to be a squad player.

"Bernabei looked a prospect too, there was alot if hype on here about him, he was just clueless as a footballer."
Looked a prospect but was useless.

"I dont know that he sent jenz packing either, wasnt it sometbing to do with wage demands?"
He sent Jenz packing because he wanted to free up space to sign Kobayashi permanently. Jenz was on loan. Our option to buy him was for £3m. He's now signed for a decent Bundesliga side after performing well for Schalke.

"I doubt he knew who tf mccarthy was, and i think we can all assume that was Celtic good ol bhoys club special."
Maybe so. He still gave the ok to the signing. Whether or not it was a desmond signing, a lawwell signing is irrelevent if you're going to ignore the position the board took with signings Rodgers wanted to make.

"Abilgaard also came highly recommended and hyped. He was supposed to be the new Ajer."
He came in with a lot of hype and recommendation? So do all the signings. Supposed to be the new Ajer but is older than Ajer, plays in a completely different position to what Ajer did.. don't know where you're going with that one to be honest.

"The only one i agree with entirely is kobayashi... Who presence here utterly baffles me to this day."
As above, he was brought in to replace Jenz because Ange didn't want to sign Jenz permanently and wanted to give minutes to Kobayashi, a permanent signing.

"The point being that * on Ange record in the market as a defence of BR's is a bit bitchy."
I honestly couldn't give a * if it's bitchy. You and others on here have been * about Rodgers for the last year. His successes are dialed down, his unsuccessful transfers are all his fault, his successful signings are the work of others. Or is it the boards fault? Genuinely can't remember who's blaming who for what in this forum at times.

"BR's record in the market has been questioned at every club hes been at, and it was, and still is a MAJOR concern of mine when we reappointed him."
I don't think he should be conducting transfer business but he's the only man that is absolutely refusing to put up with more projects and that has been clear this window. He's taken a more hands on role and thank * he has. If Ange was still here, we would have been taking more punts from the * doldrums of Korean football because we were waiting a few extra weeks for a player we wanted.

"Hes a great man manager, fantastic at developing young talent, and easily one of the best "homegrown" tactical minds in the UK. But he cant spot a player, nor choose someone (ahem) to do for him to save his life."
He spotted many great players and had success in the market plenty of times. He had many successful transfers at Leicester, a couple who were targets when he was manager here and they ended up getting him back to back 5th placed finishes and an FA Cup. Does he have 100% success? Of course not but let's not pretend Ange was all that much better. He had access to a market he had worked in and knew exactly who to sign. No one is slagging him off for that. Rodgers worked at a far higher level in England so the majority of his knowledge is down there. On the "choosing to someone to sign players".. didn't Ange come out publicly and say HE was the man who wanted Mark Lawwall coming in as they had worked together at Yokohama? Pretty sure I could find that link if you need it.

"I wanted a DoF hired the moment he was linked. I still want one."
I want a director of football and a new scouting team too. I don't think anyone has suggested we don't pursue that. In fact, most people are demanding it. It's the board who remain active in refusing to go down that route, not Rodgers.

"Do i trust him as a coach. Yes."
As you should. Whether people like him or not, he's probably the most successful manager we have had in the last 60 years.

"Do i trust him in the market. No."
I didn't really fully trust Ange towards the back end of the season he left, either to be honest. That's why you need proper scouts and a proper recrutiment team.

 

That’s an abundance of former Celtic *.

 

Good debate on signings and who's better etc, but do we actually know - I mean really know, who picks and signs our new players?
I'm going to guess our 'coach' (not manager) is only partially involved and certainly not wholly responsible.
Brendan said himself on arrival second time "I coach what I'm given"

Lack of transparency is a serious issue because it also drives lack of accountability - exactly how our board prefer to operate.