Odin Thiago Holm.

Turnbull got over 700 minutes from August to January and he was * pish. If Holm had shown more he could have had those minutes which would of helped his development

 

Here’s another perspective: I think, given Rodgers’ expertise at timing his messages in the media, he has called Holm out on this issue of not running enough etc in pre-season precisely because he intends to give him game time during the season. He won’t want to have to buy too many new mids; will want to use this guy as one of the main backups if he can, so he’s given him a boot in the proverbial to see if he can kick on.

Add to that theory another few reasonable assumptions, i.e.: 1) MOR away; 2) Bernardo signs; 3) McCarthy either remains not in contention, or leaves altogether; 4) Kwon follows up his successful spell at St Mirren with another loan.

Midfield would then look like:
McGregor, Bernardo, Hatate, Iwata, Holm, Kelly.

I disagree with @Ryanm1984 and others that 6 CMs is enough; I like 5 players for every 2 outfield positions (with the 5th usually being a promising youngster or ageing player). Apply that maths to a 3 man midfield, and the above options leave us at least 1 man short.

Looking at the balance of our midfield, that new signing should be someone physically athletic, robust and dynamic, but with enough technique not to give the ball away as often as a Hatate type. Ideally that guy should be first-choice ready and either a DM, to allow Callum to play further up, or a box-to-box with dig and defensive nous.

Point being, although we do need to loan one of our three youngest CMs out, and absolutely need to buy another, there’s no reason - over a 55 game season - that a Holm and a Kelly can’t get adequate game time. Loan out too many, and we leave ourselves seriously short, and/or end up overplaying our captain again.

 

Yeah I agree, Rodgers essentially threw the challenge to both Lawal and Holm last week bcoz he's gonna use one of them in the squad this season. There is 100% room for 1 of them.

For me if he shows the right attitude and work rate I'd say Holm would be on a par with Bernardo and Iwata. Both of them got ample game time last season. He should be pushing himself to get ahead of them this season.

I also agree we probably do need a 7th and kelly would of been the ideal one but obviously that's looking unlikely at the moment

On your final point regarding Mcgregor, obviously 1 of those 3 iv mentioned needs to earn it but the manger does need to be a bit braver in terms of rotating Mcgregor out, particularly home games against bottom 6 teams.

Again that should be an incentive for Holm to push for that place.

It's 100% down to him to get himself the minutes he needs here

 

So if he’s not doing enough it proves my point, he won’t get minutes here.

Hence why we need to loan him out, as another poster clearly worked out we have 7 centre mids, before Bernardo.

my point still stands he needs game time, he’s not going to get it here and needs a loan move. It’s pointless having him here rotting away.

 

just the last part, they didn’t get much game time last season, same with this season. Let’s be honest here, they are going to be getting 5-10 minutes here and there which won’t help them at all.

If we signed that American centre mid he would be walking into the side and we get to loan Holm out.

Kelly could be leaving for free anyway in December too.

 

If he's not doing enough and not showing right attitude a loan is * pointless.

He'll be sold.

For the 3rd time he will get minutes if his attitude is right.

7??

Kwon, lawal, Kelly and O'reilly won't be here by end of the window that leaves us with 4, 5 if we ever actually sign Bernardo. That's nowhere near enough.

 

If we keep in the vain of two sets of 3 midfielders, a core starting 3 and a backup 3, whilst acknowledging that MOR will leave (hope he doesn't), then a set up of:
McGregor, Hatate and Tessman
Bernardo, iwata, Holm

Doesn't seem too bad.

What's looks even * better is
McGregor, hatate, O'Reilly
Tessman, Bernardo, Iwata.

With one fringe to compliment. The rest sold or loaned out.


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Think once Oriley goes we may see Hatate move slightly further forward into his role.

Partly to get him further up the park and stop playing us into trouble with his pish passing in our own half.

He's not ur typical Rodgers centre mid

 

He's not a typical Rodgers centre mid but I think he's key to help breaking down the 10 men behind the baw merchants we face domestically.

 

Aye he definitely is, saw the difference when he came back in to the team in the run in. Gives us something nobody else does in there.

What I ment by not a typical Rodgers midfielder is that he usually prefers guys who are better in possession and keep the ball more

 

How will he get his minutes? Hes not breaking into the side attitude or not because others are ahead of the pecking order. That’s a fact.

hence why he needs more game time away from the club attitude issue or not, no?

You know for a fact that all them players are leaving? Or guessing? I think it’s the latter.

 

Going round in circles here.

At risk of continually repeating myself, he's at least at same level as Iwata and Bernardo. If he improves his attitude/workrate then he has as much chance as either of them at getting minutes. Both got upwards of 24 appearances and over 1000 minutes last season. So once again it's down to him to get the minutes he needs by doing what the manager is looking for from him.

If he doesn't improve his attitude a loan is pointless. You go on as if he's a kid, he's played over 100 senior games and made his 1st team debut 4 years ago.

Rodgers said himself, having talent means he'll play for a team but without the workrate he won't play for this team. A loan won't improve that.

It's an educated guess based on common sense. Lawal looks nowhere near ready, Kelly doesn't want to sign new deal so at very least he'll be with B team until his contract expires, Oriley is away the moment a suitable offer comes in, Kwon is never making it here and Rodgers appears to have very little interest in playing him.

 

Just looking on transfermarkt the stats are as follows total of 9 games in the league at 212 minutes that’s 23 minutes if you even it out over the 9 games.

Champions league 2 appearances of a total of 55 minutes so 27.5 minutes each match.

Scottish cup 1 match 72 minutes.

League cup 1 match 64 minutes

grand total of 403 minutes, unless I’ve missed something.

Just cause he’s played so many games already means * all if he is not playing regularly now, are you telling me you can be out of a side not getting a game and just come in and be expected to perform at a high level?

it doesn’t work like that.

 

Jesus suffering *!!!!!

He barley played bcoz he didn't show the correct attitude/work rate. The manager has said that.

IF he shows the correct attitude he will get game time bcoz he has the talent and we arnt exactly bursting at the seems with quality midfielders.

If he doesnt he'll be out the door

 

Doubling down yet again. Honestly mate just admit you got it wrong for * sake!

Plucking fake stats out of fresh air to try and support your debate and its clearly not true.

My original point still stands and we both know it, attitude or not him not actually playing will hinder his career further, that’s a fact.

It’s been a nice debate but honestly you’ve made a * of it.

I’ve done it in the past others too. If I was you I would move on.

 

Where's the fake stats?

 

The boy has clear talent. It’s down to Rodgers to manage him properly and keep him motivated and obviously the boy has to keep working hard. I’m gonnae say it now but I reckon he can be as good as O’Riley.

 

Check previous posts……

 

No fake stats there just you contiually missing the point and spouting the same *