Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

So first I was defending the window, now I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt, two very different standpoints.To quote a wise man " you're no very good at this eh? "

But kudos, you've finally got something almost right. It's taken a few attempts but you're nearly there. Maybe ( there's that crucial word from that opening line that you claim is proof positive) if we keep this up you'll get there in the end.

I was sort of casting doubt, over wether it was indeed a bad window or is it just a bad manager. Playing devil's advocate(Google it) whilst sitting on the fence and at no point have I chosen a side. and whilst i do think he is a bad manager i have at no point claimed to know the answer to the first part of that question. Well done give yourself a pat on the back.

 

Giving it the benefit of the doubt is still defending the window. Unless you think both Rodgers and McGregor are both taking pish when they say we need better quality? Because you are suggesting we may well have brought in the right players, but don’t have a manager that can work with them. When it’s fairly obvious to, well, pretty much everybody apart from the odd eejit, that the window was appalling. Which is why I simply wrote a two word reply initially saying “it was” which has gotten you very rattled for reasons only known to yourself. I actually don’t know what you are arguing against now to be honest, I’m not sure you do either.

 

Mate, if we take the team in terms of who has been available this season (i.e. no CCV for most of it and certainly no Hatate), then we have some very, very ordinary SPL players (Ralston, arguably AJ if like me you don't rate him, Welsh, Kühn, Idah, Nawrocki, Oh), 4 very erratic players that can and do go from great to terrible in the space of a few seconds (Yang, Taylor, Maeda and Bernabei), some players that are good but nothing that special (Palma, Scales, AJ if unlike me you rate him and Bernardo) and only 3 genuinely excellent players (Kyogo, MOR and McGregor). This is not a team that blows the Huns out of the water, far from it.

Compare that with peak Ange where you would say that 7 players were excellent (Kyogo, MOR and McGregor as now; but also, CCV, Juranovic, Giakoumakis and Hatate). The change is massive.

Now Rodgers hasn't been getting the best out of what's left arguably all season and for certain since the break; but this is not an either/or situation. We are both a relatively poor Celtic team and also one that Rodgers isn't managing very well. Our recruitment and our whole structure from DD down are a massive problem.

Take nepotism for example. We have the sons of both WGS and Peter Lawwell playing major roles at the club and DD's son seems to be involved in some way too. One could be coincidence, maybe Gavin Strachan really is a great analyst or Lawwell junior is the bee's knees or DD's son is an entrepreneurial genius or something; but to think all 3 cases are like this stretches the bounds of credulity.

 

He's not doing a good job, that can't be denied; but do you really think the man that took Liverpool to second, won an invincible treble here, got two 5th-place finishes with Leicester (Ange is currently sitting 5th with a much bigger club and people rightly see it as a great achievement) and an FA cup has fallen so far that he's made all our signings look terrible and is being schooled by SPL managers like McInnes?

I mean there's decline, there's precipitous decline and then there's that. I think we can see with our own eyes how bad the window was. It's definitely both Rodgers and 3 horrific windows in a row not one or the other.

 

Just a second, the league positiona at Leicester worsened as the club owners successively sold their better players (as their core business - duty free shops - needed money due to the pandemic), replaced them with poorer ones - sound familiar? - and a number of his best players were injured for extended spells - sound familiar....? Bloke was in discussions to take over from Solskjaer at Man Utd FFS

 

But the 2 losses were at their patch on the fake pitch, right? We often struggle on fake pitches, Livingston being a case in point. I remember it not all being plain sailing at Rugby Park over the years whoever was in charge for us.

 

So after experiencing a downgade at us in his first stint, he experienced another one at Leicester, both resulted in him getting poorer results, and the guy decides it's a good idea to come back to the first club where the people downgrading are still in power?

For such a stupidity alone I want Rodgers removed. I prefer smart managers, they generally get better results out of their team than managers that do the same mistake again and again.

 

I'll repeat - it's not an overnight thing.

His career is quite clearly on the decline. He'll never get near Man Utd again.

 

I agree. Also worth adding that this trend is almost always true of any manager that spends a few years doing well in the English premier League. Not necessarily that the board start selling off players, but more that a manager has success, hits a ceiling, and then after a year or two of relative underperformance they get sacked. That is why until this season at least turnover of managers in English football is so high.

People are right to criticise Rodgers at the moment but we have to acknowledge that he has the best CV of any manager we have had in probably our history and there is no chance we will replace him with a CV better than his.

 

And this is why, since day one of him coming back, a lot of folk have questioned why he returned?



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So we're living in the past, expecting him replicate what he achieved with us and Leicester (but not the last part of Leicester)?

He's over the hill and will become the next Mark Hughes going from one lower half EPL team to the next, living off his CV (but don't look at his recent CV).

 

So looks like he's here for the next game at least. I'll let you know about 11am Sunday if that's left me angry, or totaly * raging.

 

CVs don't win football matches or motivate players. Tactically aware, hungry managers tend to be more effective at maximising outcomes than a list of past achievements.

 

I've never understood why it was a logical move for either the club or him. Some seemed to think it implied he'd been given certain guarantees, but I'd always been dubious of that. And there's little history of a return manager doing well pretty much anywhere.

I didn't want him back, but got behind him grudgingly as I 'knew' he was at least competent and able to turn out a team. I'm STUNNED to find he somehow isn't managing even that. I still think he's been done a little dirty, but it's barely professional we're seeing now, let alone top tier.

On the board, I've nothing to say that hasn't been said 1000 times at this stage. They're a disgrace, and there's no defending them...

 

His career is on the decline, that cannot be denied. It’s all about timing for managers. After his second season at Leicester he really had to leave for his career to kick on. He remained and as there best players were sold on and replaced with others well below the same level, they plummeted down the table unsurprisingly. Now that’s more on the owners than the manager, but it’s always the latter that carries the can.

This is what I’ve feared would happen here as well. This shitshow all stems from an utterly woeful transfer window last summer, when there was no excuses whatsoever for the board not to push the boat out and try and kick us on. We have went stale as there is very few new faces in the starting lineup now. That will happen at any club if you don’t freshen the starting eleven up. So you reap what you sow. Rodgers should be getting a better tune out of a lot of players, but this all goes back to the summer transfer window in my opinion. Anger is now starting to be aimed at Rodgers over the board now though.

 

So what? The conditions aren’t ideal so we just don’t win?

Okay then let’s write them off. Losing to Hearts at home? Drawing with Kilmarnock at home?

£3m per year for three years - defeated by a plastic pitch.

 

Who exactly? Fofana left for £80m to Chelsea and a 35yr old Schmeichel left. That's it.

 

Rodgers is a terrible manager for fans who love good attacking football, but he seems like a great manager for fans who love responding to pointless arguments with 200+ word replies.

 

It can happen though. If someone's heart isn't really in it in any walk of life standards can slip and its an unforgiving profession to let thst happen in. My own opinion is Rodgers thinks he's above us and doesn't really want to be here, I also think he's lost what he once maybe had and his days in the sun are over. As Sick Boy said to Renton " Well at one point you've got it and then you lose it, and it's gone forever. All walks of life;"

And the fact is, he is being schooled by spl managers, something we can also see with our own eyes, so is it really that outrageous to consider that maybe some of these boys that came in over the summer are actually better than what they have shown so far. And that maybe at least some would have fared better, or might yet still, under competent management.

I'm not saying it is the case btw. Just that how things have transpired since Rodgers appointment, coupled with the almost complete drop off in performance of the senior players, players we know for a fact are better than they are showing, then it's a possibility worth consideration. Albeit a slim one, also one that can't be answered definitively either way until, or indeed if, it comes to fruition.

 

The utd board seem as bad as ours ffs, lets not use that as a meadure of suitability or success.