Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Some of those same people also likely thought Brendan would be a great appointment.

Some people are just * clueless…

Best since Larsson! *

 

One of the weirdest things about that is Rodgers got so much out of Jamie Vardy, who are very similar in how they like to be fed chances. He also made Griffiths such a better all round footballer, I will die on the hill Griff’s best season for us wasn’t the year previous under Ronny he scored more than 40, was the next year under Rodgers he shared a role with Dembele, scored half the amount, set up about 18/19 more than the 40 season. In so much less the time, but he was all round a good footballer getting best out his ability and clinical. If he was anywhere near as clinical the year before I swear 80 would have been no problem, and that would still be only taking half the clear cut chances.

Two similar players, one nowhere the same ability when it comes to Griffiths. But he has no idea how to play to his strengths at all

 

Celtic TV doing wee compilations comparing them I swear to * I despised so much last year, Kyogo’s been excellent for us, trying to compare him to Henrik is always something that he can’t live up to. It was a hiding to nothing to push the narrative. He’s a cracking player, but there’s no comparison to Henrik, nobody compares in our history really.

and when that statement crops up, since Henke, we forget Sutton and Hartson were after Henrik.

 

Petulant *, but then go on to agree. You’re no very good at this eh?

So it’s fair to say Mark Lawwell hasn’t done well at his job? So is it then not fair to assume that the players he has brought in under Rodgers might just also be poor players. I mean, that’s not just getting based on nothing, because we have actually seen these players as well, and some were unable to even do the basics.

 

Not sure I'd agree with you here mate. Didn't to derail your other thread talking about Rodgers but I feel he's very one dimensional. Good with man management and improving confidence of players but relies very much on those same players' individual quality to create chances and score goals. Soon as your Maddisons, Barnes, Tielemans (and here - Kyogo, MO'R, Hatate) are out injured/off form/stop listening to his * it all goes Pete Tong.

 

He's a good player and scored a lot of goals in his 1st 2 years but it's wildly unfair on him and others that have been here since to compare them.

All about opinions but imo Hooper, Dembele and Edouard were all better. As you say Harston and Sutton were here after too and altho only loans, Keane and Bellamy were miles better too.

 

And also reducing the value of all the players we’d built up so much too. Could have got £15 million for kyogo? Now teams wouldn’t pay more than £6mil when he inevitably leaves I’d imagine

 

I thought at the time Rodgers was being a bit too bold with his "Rangers have always been coming in all my time here". He's said that showing off when he knows his own team have barely turned up to any game all season.

Also after the Hibs game when interviewed he was so happy to go along with the papering over the cracks. Was nuts cos we have been dug *.

 

It’s difficult to gauge how bad a job Mark Lawwell has done with the newest players to be honest. Assessing all the new players is a challenge because even our more established players or players that have only arrived and initially hit the ground running are now playing as 6/10s or less.

Calmac failing to do the basics, what was that pass or hoof into the air, madness. He has a very high bar but he’s no where near it.
Kyogo, poor Kyogo can barely get a shot at goal these days.
Taylor, he’s just not his former self either.
MOR, where has his genius gone, he seems vacant and on most recent form and wouldn’t get into last seasons team.
Palma’s hoofed shots or skill moves on the wing, fail and laugh about it.

Confidence plays a huge part when integrating new folk into a team. So does how the team functions. If neither are at a decent level then any newbie will be * against the wind.
Imagine trying to find your feet when your senior players aren’t even capable of executing what the manager “wants”.

 

Totally agree with the Griffiths part of the comments above, the start of Rodgers season he was flying, that really changed when Dembele played against them scored a hat trick and kicked on. Up to that point Dembele had been average at best. Missed an absolute sitter vs Beer Sheeva to kill that tie over there.

Griffiths then self sabotaged at the end of that season.

On Vardy though, he wouldn’t have been playing against parked buses, crowded boxes every game. I actually wonder about Kyogo even if Ange was still here, he would be better but I think his best spell for us was the first 6 months. He scored more goals last year but that was because he was available all season.

The start of Ange’s first season Kyogo looked an absolute phenomenal player. Last season he was a brilliant finisher. I think teams have notably been cutting out that near post cross with shear volume of numbers. Don’t get me wrong Kyogo’s movement is still brilliant but I do think even in an Ange structure would be tested to find him still.

I still think Ange gets more from Kyogo and the team as a whole but I do wonder if he may have made a change to his formation again.

 

it would be exactly the same if we had larsson playing up front for us now and no * willing to pass the ball to him

 

Yes, your responses are petulant, infantile strawman whataboutery.. Agreeing that 3 players were bad doesn't make it any less so.

What we have also seen is players thst were standouts over the previous two seasons underperforming and looking like shadows of themselves, Kyogo, Callum, Johnston, Maeda, Taylor, Oriley now. Even Hatate and ccv when they have been available have been largely sub standard, albeit could be simply fitness.

To try and state this in a way you might understand. Every single member of thst squad is playing badly. Brendan Rodgers is performing every facet of his job badly. No player that comes in under a bad manager, at any club anywhere in the world, can be properly judged until they get a chance to work under a better one.

 

I posted the following in the Chris Davies thread; but for some reason that's in World Football rather than Ex-players and I doubt many people will see it. I'm reposting it here for that reason:

 

It's kinda like the Slippy G and Ian Beale one ha.. as soon as Slippy * off it was Ian Beale that was the mastermind behind it all.. like that case I'm not buying it.

 

does rodgers really need davies to see that the slow side to side pish aint working and as a result we cant get any good possession in the final 3rd because thee opposition have so much time to set up defensively ... christ maybe he does

 

I can't but laugh at the thought that our best paid manager in history is probably also the one who devalued our players the most

It's a suprise our stingy board doesn't go for a cheaper manager when they could get as many points out of that team as Rodgers does.

 

Best since Laudrup don't you mean!

 

Is he sacked yet? That's the only thing I'm interested in tbh.

I'm done debating whether he was good choice, or "what he needs to do". He's toast.

Unless a mammoth , miraculous, altogether Rocky IV levels of a turnaround happens he's finished.

Half the fans never wanted him. And now half of the half that wanted him, want him to * off. The remaining quarter still clinging to this "elite manager" myth and ONE good domestic season with no competition that dropped off a cliff after.

 

It’s no whataboutery at all to say the window was *. You’ve made up a scenario that the summer signings might actually be good signings and just need a different manager. That’s based on absolutely nothing other than hope.

I agree that we aren’t playing well enough. The football has been rotten most of the season. I’ve never said otherwise. Recruitment has been an absolute shambles though, and anyone trying to make it out to be anything other than that is kidding themselves on. The first part of the season there can be absolutely no denying that injuries were killing us. Again, this goes hand in hand with pish recruitment as we never had capable replacements. The last few games though, you can’t defend Rodgers. Which I haven’t by the way.

 

Rodgers has spectacularly failed on all fronts, but his biggest failure has been 'improving players' which is supposed to be his best asset as a manager.

All our signings can be described as projects granted, but there is enough talent within that where he should be getting a tune out of them, even with our failure to bolster the squad with the experience required.

His man management has been horrendous, chopping and changing starting 11 way too much, undermining the players publicly and alienating young guys that could easily do a job given the right motivation and confidence.

All added to the fact he's not had a cohesive style of play at any point, and if he has then he's been too quick to drop it and try something different to no avail.

Claiming that the problems are all down to recruitment is an absolute cop-out and indicates the hight of ignorance and stubbornness from those who claim it.

Bottom line is, he has * it. He's a busted flush and needs punted.