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Winning the title

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by stirfry999, Dec 10, 2023.

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  1. Random Review

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    It's like that in teaching too. If one student doesn't understand, it might be your fault and it might be his/hers; if half the class is confused, it's definitely yours.
     
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    I disagree, mate. I think the opposite: patterns of play are more important when you have limited players not less important. Real under Ancelotti won the CL with a lot of freedom to find their own solutions, world-class players can do that. If Rodgers is trying to implement that with our bunch of journeymen, no wonder even Killie can pin us back.
     
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    What do you mean?
     
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    One thing I remember Ange saying was about the need to keep it fresh in order to keep that hunger. Have we refreshed this squad?
     
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    Beale,s available........:(
     
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    We should start a campaign to get him to Hearts so we can get over the line in second. :fear:
     
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  7. Foley1888

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    I don’t disagree patterns of play are more important with limited players that is evident when you look at Ange’s system making some of the * we have look competent.

    However, what I am saying is the play by those players in that given set of circumstances is so limited I would argue they are failing to implement any patterns of play.

    Right from the off Hart won’t be told you only give it to Scales, so him missing the fact he could have been quick and played it to Welsh is nothing to do with a pre set pattern of play, it’s just a lack of awareness and a poor decision.

    Ralston not trying the ball inside to O’Riley is refusing a pass that could have got us forward and opting to be extra safe. Same for Scales who simply takes too long to make his mind up to do anything with the ball and Taylor has been guilty of doing that same thing last season where he panics on the ball with anyone relatively close to him and passes it straight in the direction he is facing regardless of what their situation is, the ultimate in completely giving up any responsibility. McGregor is often guilty of this too.

    If we are going to try and play out from the back we need to be prepared to take the ball and get turned or use quick passes to make angles to find the other players.

    Our players don’t as the basics such as their touch use of their weak foot, awareness of what’s around them are all poor.

    I think there are plenty of faults with Rodgers approach I don’t like how slow we have become in taking throw ins and set pieces and how we have become ponderous in possession in the opposition half, how the wingers come in and we still seem to be in inverting our full backs too so we have no width and congest these areas. These are all patterns we try run and they are not being effective with the personnel we have.

    I don’t like that we look unfit at the moment and have zero pace in our team, something I wouldn’t associate with a Rodgers team.

    I don’t like that we look devoid of motivation in the bread and butter league games compared to the bigger fixtures with Rangers etc. I don’t like how he quickly starts hammering the players publicly as that will just turn them off to him.

    I don’t like us being rigidly stuck to these two very similar formations, I would have thought he may have been a bit more adventurous. I think his organisation and lack of imagination at set plays defensively and offensively is * poor and something that could easily be fixed to at least improve on this.
     
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    Still time and the pressure is back on them to stay at the top of the league, something they've not been used to. Still lots to play for and the 1st/2nd positions will switch more than once until the end of the season. Of course, need to beat them at Ibrox now. I suspect that'll end up being the deciding game.
     
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    16 passes then fukin kicked out to nowhere, not even to a player ,,,,, the ball boy could have done better than any of our players
     
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    If we drop more points in the next league game, its curtains. Too much ground has been lost.
    We take our medicine, come to an agreement to end Rodgers contract and go out and pay the money for Knutsen. It could be a bigger investment than any player we could make.
    Not acting could be far more expensive than acting.
     
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    So dodgers ,,, will have it better next season and try better
     
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    I feel there is a lack of two footedness as well at the back, your centre-backs should really be decent at passing with both but we've not really had any recently who do. Lagerbielke was the only one I can think of in recent times, I wasn't sure if he was right or left footed when he first played a few games.

    Welsh, CCV, Scales never pass with their weaker foot. It's not even as if you need to be great with both McManus, Boyata, Mulgrew, Jullien used to always use their weaker foots, Van Dijk also but he had great quality.

    Even the full-backs, Tierney and Izaguirre would use their rights, Lustig would use his left, Frimpong, Juranovic.

    Adds a wee bit of quickness to your play from the back where you don't need to take a touch or turn and can just play it first time to someone however the ball comes at you.

    That is definitely missing from the team even full-backs who can take a guy on at all, Juranovic, Frimpong, Tierney and Izaguirre could all beat a guy on the inside or outside. Now we have Bernabei who is the only guy who runs with a ball really from full-back who nobody wants playing probably not even his team mates lol

    A lot of our players are really one footed now that I think of it, almost the whole team. Only really Kyogo, Palma, Hatate and Lagerbielke, plus Maeda and Abada pretty badly can I think of who take touches, pass or dribble or shoot or cross using both. McGregor used to at times but not really nowadays as he doesn't need to as he tends to have space and time on the ball.

    When you think of old squads, was probably only a few year ago we had Lustig, Simunovic, Boyata, Tierney, Bitton, Brown, Ntcham, McGregor, Rogic all regularly starting together who all used both feet all the time. Now pretty much nobody in defence or midfield does which is probably one of the reasons we see the play from the back being that slow and awkward and the exact same all the time. Edouard also would always come deep and be involved and could turn either way and was unpredictable on the ball.
     
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    If Rodgers loses the league ,,,,, will he give his wages back to club so it can be given out to the poor ,,,,,,

    just asking

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    I voted to win the league.

    I was sober when i voted ,,,,,i have not changed my mind,,,,,
     
  15. stubhoy07 Gold Member Gold Member

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    I initially voted we would win the league. My opinion has changed and unfortunately it's based purely on logic. To throw an 8 point lead and find ourselves 2 points behind then it would be illogical to think it's going any other way. I hate I feel like that and of course I always hope I am wrong and we find some form.

    If the performances were good and we just found ourselves on the back of a few unlucky results I'd be more hopeful but let's be honest, our performances have justified the dropped points. We had an opportunity to change our course in January and we didn't take it. Now we are forced to go with the hand we been dealt and we knew at the beginning of January it might not have been enough.

    I had hoped the combination of Idah and kyogo might start to see us really converting opportunities but we are still toothless going forward. Don't see how we fix this now. Can only hope that hatate and ccv come back quickly and make a marked difference, them two are potentially the difference makers
     
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    Thing is, we’ve been the same all season, when we gained the 8 point lead. Michael Beale is an utter clown, and we were up against somebody who was evidently a * clown.

    And again, they showed decisiveness, and a bit of ambition and went and got somebody in unexpected who’s won things before, who is an actual manager. And that’s ended up with them averaging 2.75 points per game under him.

    Signs were on the wall after we beat them, we gasped and collapsed to the half way line, nose in front after the game at Parkhead. And we all breathed a sigh of relief that we got to the break and a chance to flex our muscle and sheer financial advantage we have over them to go into the next part of the season.

    And then we did * all, and they outperformed us in the market as well.

    We have failed at every level of the club so far this season. We just about made it to January in charge of the league fight, and we all knew that it was a stumble towards making it count. Does anyone believe we have tried to make it count? We’ve played like our players and our manager was as disappointed with it as we are since then
     
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    @Liam Scales, I couldn't agree more. This league was actually quite hard to screw up. There have been multiple choice points since the day Ange left and to get to where we are now, we've had to get every single one of them wrong.

    * Sell key players in the summer and buy a load of dross.
    * Fail to strengthen key positions like LB.
    * Fail to refresh areas that were getting stale.
    * Employ a manager who divides the support, whose BS causes toxicity when we lose and who has a tendency to down tools when his ego is at stake.
    * Green light Hatate's participation in the Asian Cup when he wasn't fully recovered yet.
    * Fail to recognise the danger in January and buy a couple of quality additions to get us over the line.

    If we get even just one of these things right, we win the league. We failed on every single one and frankly don't even deserve to win anything. The frustrating thing is that we as fans could all see it and have been watching it unfold in slow motion, feeling powerless to do anything about it. No wonder so many fans are so angry.
     
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    This brilliant post is whats wrong and could have been easily rectified before it got to this stage. HH
     
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    The board and manager have divided us. We need to be united boycott games dont buy merch until these tory scum are chased from our club.its that simple.money talks and bullshit walks. We cant remove desmond unfortunately. If celtic were in the EPL we could have many prospective buyers HH
     
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    think its definitely squeaky * time if we drop any more points from now on its over, being dragged into a title race with that parcel of * due to our own continued neglegence is a * disgrace, a club like no other