Scott McKenna

Nah think it's meaning points, the amount he would cost us should some maddie sign that deal off.

Not so much a bullet Dodged, but more a missle, maybe a dud missile at that.

 

Ano mate he was a bombscare at times but we still made the last 16 of the CL with him starting at the back.

 

So £40m of our wage bill goes outwith the team? We have 9 board members, lets say… they all get £1.5m a year, even the secretary in it, leaves what (vastly overestimating that) £26.5m for the rest? We’ve got 451 employees, including the players and the board there so take what, 40 off that for them. 411 go for.

Averages out to £64k a year that.


I’m off to apply for a job at Celtic, apparently we’re * hot payers

 

Despite his best efforts, that Benfica performance still sticks the * right up me.


Don’t get me started on the Barca game where he fulfilled a lifelong dream of being Thierry Henrys teammate.

 

Average of 64k doesn't sound that unrealistic when you consider the vast majority of the kiosk staff are agency.
So that's your store staff, coaches, scouts, boardroom, marketing, pr, lawyers(?), advertising etc all averaging out at 64k?

Keep in mind our top dog was on £1.2m (reported in 2019) in his CEO position.
I believe we also pay a living wage(?), with minimum wage/living wage much the same these days at £22k(?) Then again, using averages, 64k doesn't seem too bad when board members are taking a million home each.
Coaches will be on more than 64k and scouts on something a bit less I imagine. But that's averages for you.

I'm not sure what the debate is here though bud, we are known to penny pinch and not pay a great wage for new players. The only ones who get over 25k are ones who've proven it for years and sign new deals while here. Our top earners are few and far between above that range and never tend to remotely touch 40k, if ever.

Keep in mind, 20 years ago that was also out cap and PL was the man who brought that "cap" in and acted like a child while trying to get rid of guys like Balde who exceeded 30k. We've never, in 20 years, really budged from that model.

Unless Desmond's personally got involved (Keane for example).

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That pass to Henry, it haunts me to this day as well man

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The board I factored in all of them on £1.5m a year. We outsource the lawyers always have they aren’t salarys they’re operating costs.


The debate is nobody knows what wages we dish out. And a random website doesn’t change that, especially because last we let anything out in public the contracts have a large bonus aspect.


And absolutely nobody knows what the restructure deals took us to in the summer, only rumoured vague ‘substantial raises’


The cap was removed Rodgers first spell btw.

 

When did you last watch him?

 

I’ve no idea what he’s on but what he’s asking for could be out of our reach.

 

Why do Celtic fans worry about how much we pay players or how much profit we will make if we sell him? See alot of this with McKenna.. who gives a *..

People saying he's too old, it will cost too much, no sell on value.. * me, your football fans not board members or financial advisers.. we don't have to make mullions on every signing.

If the manager wants him and he can do a job I don't really care how much it costs. It certainly not gonna break the bank

Rant over ha

 

Was it not rumoured that wages were what caused the bust up between him and Steve Cooper?

 

No idea tbh.

 

Would he start ahead of Scales? Possibly not, so doubt we would make him one of our top earners..

 

The way I look at these signings is will they improve us for Europe.

McKenna in the CL? No thanks. He'll be competent in Scotland but he isn't good enough for the EPL so how would he be good enough for the best competition in the world?

He'd probably suit how the huns play in Europe. But unless we radically change how we set up and approach these games, that is, unless we decide to be more defensive and dogged, there's no point in signing him.

He has no pace so will get murdered by anyone with pace and skill if we play a high line.

If we're concerned about the homegrown quota I'd rather bring in Shankland. Yes he's not cut out for Europe either but if we're chasing a goal we can bring him on, at least he knows how to finish. I don't trust Oh to bury a chance if it comes to him.

In a ideal world we wouldn't even be talking about McKenna/Shankland. That isn't snobbery, I wanted us to sign plenty of Scottish players over the years. We just always end up with the mediocre ones.

 

I like a core group of young players who can net the club vast profits for two main reasons.

Number 1. If clubs are coming in and paying £20m-£30m for our younger, talented players, it shows other younger, talented players that this is the place to come and progress before you move onto the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga etc. Having a core group of young players making the club huge profits should benefit everyone.

Number 2. This is how we should be progressing our team. Now, I know the argument is that we don't operate like this, currently. It should be how we progress though. If we are picking up players in that £1.5m-£2.5m range and we sell them on for £10m-£15m, we should then be investing that money on players slightly more expensive, with slightly better pedigrees and far bigger potentials.

Bigger sales should breed bigger purchases but that's not how we work, unfortunately. That's a discussion many of us are having right now, actually. We will likely see the sale of O'Riley in the next two windows for a record fee. Now, if that fee is say £30m, the club should be using that money to go out and purchase 3/4 really talented younger players, who can take us to the next level in Europe. So, imagine we spent £10m on Gronbaek to replace O'Riley and we spent £10m on Redondo, to give us that top quality DM and then we spent another £10m on Kevin Denkey. Gronbaek is 22, Redondo is 20 and Denkey is 24 but they're far less of a punt than say Holm, Kwon and Oh but they're all similar ages, they have just been performing extremely well and are very well thought of throughout Europe/South America.

 

I don't mean every signing has to be like McKenna, we will still go about our business as usual signing young talent and the MORs and Dembele type bargains, just saying every now and again we can sign a seasoned professional and not worry about cost or sell on value.. we can afford it

 

Its not a game of football manager though mate, sometimes you need players with experience and leadership to come in and impact the team. I do agree that we should be signing young promising players, but it cant be the only strategy and doesnt always work - like Ntcham for example.

We have had some great success adding players like Joe Ledley, Aaron Mooy, Kris Commons etc. These players were not exactly spring chickens and didnt offer a lot of sell on value down the line, but they certainly contributed in big moments for us and earned us a lot more than they cost.

Its not always about the transfer fees, but the revenue that can be generated from on field performances.

Mckenna still has the opportunity to be on the plane to Germany with Scotland and so im sure he will be eager not only to move this window, but to play and impress at whichever team he moves to. If its a move that benefits all parties then id be for it.

 

Pretty much every time I watched Forest or saw highlights of their games he looked like a slow carthorse. Maybe he's slow in relation to the EPL.

As I said he'd be fine domestically but I don't see much of a vision when it comes to us signing players these days. The similar sized clubs in Europe we look at and admire for doing much better than us won't be looking at McKenna, put it that way.

We should be head hunting another Denayer type CB. I know his career has fell off a cliff but a guy with those attributes is what we need.

 

Totally agree with this, sometimes We have to balance it out with signings, signing McKenna would bring much needed experience and leadership which we could really be doing with just now.

Can understand that signing Him kind of goes against the strategy of signing young project players to develop and eventually sell on but We can't keep doing this with every signing that We make, a mixture of experience and young project players is the best way to balance things out, it worked out with Ange.