Scott McKenna

No wonder. Did you see Tomayasu yesterday? Deary me.

 

He can put his head on the ball and is a unit. Always looked decent when I've seen him play for the national team. Wouldn't be against this, just not sure who makes way

 

Would be a decent enough free signing in the summer or a cut price deal this month.

Handy that he’s a left footed centre back and been solid enough when I’ve seen him play for Scotland.

He would have been a terrible signing 4 years ago but hopefully his experience at Forest has been helpful.

 

I didn't actually realise he was left footed till mentioned n here the other day. Having him and Scales for that position, CCV and Rocky for the other, and Welsh filling in would be an excellent pool of centre backs.

 

Those saying they wouldn’t want him have to see the pragmatic side here.

He’s trained in Scotland (saving us a place in the CL squad), left-footed, not slow, not an absolute disaster with the ball at his feet, and has international experience, including in a European Championships. He also knows the league, so won’t take much adaptation, unlike Lagerbielke, who seems to have struggled with that.

Add in his aerial ability and aggression, and I think if he weren’t Scottish, more folk would be happy to take him.

 

Worryingly the ex hun clown Worrall getting a game ahead of him....

 

Shane Duffy plays international football. As does Jack Hendry.
Also McKenna doesn't get a sniff in the EPL. He doesn't even make the bench for a side that is threatened with relegation.

Is he better than Welsh or Scales? Hard to say as Neither have been tested at EPL or Championship level.
McKenna has been tested at SPL level though, and despite his much publicized barney with Morelarse, he didn't really do alot, and was prone to brain farts and being a bit on a bubble head.

I think alot of folks in here to often make a false equivalency of EPL= quality.
It's simply not true. Certainly not in the case if Centre Backs suitable for our high press and style of play.

 

CCV didn’t get a sniff in the EPL was mid championship and people rave about him what’s different from when we signed him. Use your common sense and eyes if you think Welsh is better you need to go to specsavers, I think McKenna has improved down in England he’s better than at least 2 of our current CBs.

tell what teams Welsh for a start gets into in the championship in England? It’s all about opinion and you’re entitled to yours as I am mine. If he’s available for a small fee or free in the summer improves us in that area.

 

I'd be happy enough if we could get him on a pre-contract and Lagerbielke is on the way out. He's a good player. Won the Nottingham Forest POTY in 21/22 and his EPL appearances have been curtailed by injury. He's already proven in our league and has experience at a higher level. The home grown aspect is just another bonus of signing him. We could use more height and strength in the team too.

 

This is exactly the problem as I see it.

Let's be diplomatic and say that most fans are divided about whether or not he's worth it.
But that's not the point.

The point you're making, ie. Better than Welsh / Scales, us exactly the issue.
We shouldn't be signing players that are better than our worst options, and then using that as justification. it's exactly how we find ourselves in a mess, saddled with players like Kobayashi, ideguchi, Yang, even Welsh and Scales. We need to be aiming better.
If we require a new CB, it should be "better than CCV. Better than Starfelt. That should be the the * target.
That's how teams grow, evolve and develop to become continentally competitive.

"Strengthening" is not the same as improving.

If McKenna isn't better than CCV or Nawrocki, then * are we signing him for?

I understand completely that all teams need options, and we can't have a full roster of CB's on CCV's level. But we shouldn't have a bench of CB's nowhere near their level either.

I apologise if your upset, but * me, how long are our supporters still gonna swallow this cheap option pish and then talk themselves into thinking it's a good idea.

If Nawrocki, Scales, or Lagerbielke aren't good enough to partner CCV then we find someone who is.
Seriously. We have tens if millions sitting in the * bank. Why can't we have two fantastic, European level CB's in there, with lesser options there for cover? Why ?
I happen to be of the opinion that McKenna is a lesser option. Another one in a long list of cheap options which might or might not be better than our worst options.

And when good folk like yourself get * at ppl like me for asking for better, it proves there's a real issue.

 

Worral has barely played this season and he's captain.

I feel people are * on this move because he played for Aberdeen and is Scottish.

 

Absolutely. He's a good player who ticks a lot of boxes.

 

not * at all I totally get what you’re saying and we always want better and to improve but you know our board won’t push the boat out like we want. like I said I think he’s better than a few people think he played 23 of Forrest 38 EPL games last season against decent opponents.

If he wasn’t Scottish or had played for Aberdeen we’d be saying he’s decent etc.

we will need a few more home grown players for Europe if we’re getting rid of a few etc he’s big strong good in the air won’t be bullied can defend relatively well it would be a solid signing for a small fee.

I’d love us to go spend good money we all would but realistically our board won’t instead of 2 or 3 million punts spend 5 or 6 mill on the quality in my opinion

 

This....

Major new incomings should ultimately be better than current best players - and I'd include CCV, Kyogo, O'Reilly and even McGregor in that.
Continuous improvement, not just plugging gaps to stand still.

 

I'm actually coming round to the idea of this signing far more, to be honest.

First things first, he's never been a bad defender. He's always been a very good defender who probably needed some things ironed out in his repertoire.

Secondly, he's not slow. That's an absolute misconception. He is slow on the turn, but he's far quicker than Lagerbielke.

Thirdly, he adds something different to our defence, something that Nawrocki showed a wee bit of on Saturday and that's pure power. He's as strong as an Ox.

Fourthly, there is not a player out there who didn't grow up supporting Celtic who hates they orc * across the city more than Scott McKenna. He * loved playing against them.

Finally? He's likely going to be free and adds to the HG quota. If we can offload Kobayashi and Lagerbielke, get some cash for them and bring in McKenna for * all? That's excellent business.

Nottingham Forest have spent over £50m at CB over the course of the last 3 windows and they've still not got it right. Let's not over/under sell this and call it what it is. I doubt he's coming in to play every game but if he does? He's shown he's capable of doing that. What we do know is we would have 5 really decent defenders. CCV, Scales, Nawrocki, Welsh and McKenna. I'd trust any of them to get us through a football game.

 

The only good thing about this interest is that we're actually looking at the bosman market again.

We've found some right gems in there and have neglected it for far too long.

Not saying McKenna is one of those gems, mind.

 

It's the market a club like ours should be operating in far more.

It's the strangest thing ever that we don't, given we are the biggest penny pinchers going.

 

We have used it recently, I'd say we just aren't very good at it:
22/23
Mooy
Kobayashi
Siegrist

21/22
McCarthy

18/19
Bain
Izzy

16/17
Toure