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Gustaf Lagerbielke

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  1. murphy88

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    Do you think Yang, Kwon and Tilio were going to be Celtic players regardless of the manager?
     
  2. Liam Scales

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    I don’t think they were going to be Celtic players if the manager says no, I don’t want them to be Celtic players.


    We’re no famous for flashing the cash when we’re * desperate for a player never mind when explicitly told it’d be a waste of money
     
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  3. murphy88

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    They players were coming here under Ange, I’ve absolutely no doubt about that. They were coming here regardless of who the manager was going to be. I think it’s incredibly naive to think they weren’t in all honesty. When Rodgers spoke about progressing in Europe, which he did very early on, do you think he was expecting the type of summer transfer window we had?
     
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  4. Liam Scales

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    So you think Rodgers didn’t want them here, didn’t give the green light he was happy with it, and we forced it on him?
     
  5. murphy88

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    I think they were done deals when he arrived yes. He has then had to trust the scouting on them.
     
  6. Liam Scales

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    And when he’s went over the scouting and decided he trusts them and he’s happy with it, what word would it be that he might use to assert that he agrees for the deals to go ahead….?
     
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  7. murphy88

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    I don’t think he got an option on the three previously mentioned. That’s why I said I think he then had to trust the scouting. Given the length of time it takes to get deals over the line, do you think Rodgers had enough to time properly assess both the scouting and the three players mentioned? Tilio was brought in 11 days after Rodgers signed. That deal must have been well down the line even when Rodgers arrived no?
     
  8. Liam Scales

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    I think he had more than enough time to come and say no, don’t know them, don’t trust your scouting don’t want them. Instead he said yes.

    Exactly the same as he done last time as well that, with Moussa Dembele.
     
  9. murphy88

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    So you think Tilio signing 11 days after Rodgers wasn’t already in the pipeline and happneing regardless? If not then fair enough, but I think you are wrong.
     
  10. Liam Scales

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    When have I said it wasn’t in the pipeline, I’m saying Rodgers has greenlit the signings, gave it the thumbs up. We didn’t go behind his back and sneakily force players on him.

    Do you think that 11 days isn’t the sort of time period that a new manager can come in, say he’s not interested in him, and the transfer not happen?

    Or that we just love spending money that much as a football club, we buy guys for a buzz, hide him in the dressing room or something ‘jump out and gee rodgers a fright it’ll be funny, he didny even want ye her Marco, just done it for a buzz’
     
  11. murphy88

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    The deal must have been well down the line when Rodgers come in. So if it’s well down the line, which it must have been, there was no manager consulted to get the deal so far in the first place was there?

    It happened previously with Lawwell at the club, so why is it so outlandish now when Lawwell is back involved? I don’t think it’s the same as last time to be honest, as Rodgers was in charge for a long time before Shved come. I just think Tilio was always coming here. Same as Kwon and Yang. So you think Rodgers has gave the go ahead to bring in a boy from the Korean 2nd division? Mon to * now.
     
  12. Liam Scales

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    So Rodgers has came in, had players forced on him against his will, and is publicly covering for the board for…. Reasons?
     
  13. murphy88

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    He says he has the final say on players, that may well be the case going forward. I just think the deals for the three players mentioned were already done deals. I think they were done before we even decided who the new manager was going to be. Tilio is a player who Ange will have been well aware of. Kwon and Yang have come from a market that we have massively tapped into over the past couple of seasons.
     
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    Gus out, McKenna in by the looks of it. Would have liked Gus to go out on loan at least but not overly fussed as Scales and Welsh both are better from what I've seen.

    I do think Gus will go on to have a good career somewhere, but he'll not see much game time here so we're aswell letting him go if that's what he wants.
     
  15. Celtic_Daft1888

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    I don't think it works like that.

    The scouts will supply reports of players they've been looking at from different leagues in a majority of different positions. Joe Dudgeon, as Chief Scout, will then analyse all these reports and pick out the ones which work into exactly what we are looking at in terms of age, position, cost of transfer, cost of wages, location etc.

    Then, Joe Dudgeon will consult with Mark Lawwall and Brendan Rodgers about who is available, who would be able to come in quickly, who's available within budget. These scouts who are doing the reports are going to big up the guys they're reporting on.

    Rodgers will be involved but if you think he's spending a large portion of his time looking at multiple reports on different transfers, for different positions, while still being the coach of the team, taking training, maintaining standards and doing all the media work and everything else that comes along with being Celtic manager, you're wrong.

    The recruitment team is exactly what it says on the tin. It recruits everyone. Staff, Players and the * tea ladies.
     
  16. Liam Scales

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    Yes I know. What I’m saying is he works with the recruitment team and he will green light deals. We don’t just force guys on him for a laugh.
     
  17. Pearse67*

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    Shved?
     
  18. Liam Scales

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    That is one that is a fact and one Rodgers was raging and very vocal about, and was a big issue first stint for him. He said right away that he’s agreed to be back because it’ll be different, if we immediately done it to him, he’d have went ballistic or just said * this and leave.

    imagine 11 days after the negotiations, where that Shved transfer would be a point to stress, doing it again? Not a chance.


    He’s greenlit the transfers, but they’re not ones he’s went and made sure were here as his guys that he knows and wants. He’s said aye to guys the recruitment team have ran by him, one foot in the door.

    Last time he done it with Dembele, albeit he got him right through the door when he was flirting with the idea but wouldn’t have signed under Ronny.

    Nawrocki though, that is BR. He played against him with Leicester and had an eye on him since. Which makes it odd.
     
  19. Celtic_Daft1888

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    I don't think anyone is suggesting we force players on him, although there has been multiple journalists, who we know have information on Celtic, reporting that he took a back seat in the summer window and wanted to analyse what he had.

    Everyone will agree that he has some say on transfers. I don't think he's identifying players though. Why would he? Let's look at what was said after we signed Holm in June of this year, though.

    Rodgers said: "We are delighted to bring Odin to the club and to secure his signing so early in the window.

    "He is a player who has been in the club's scouting and recruitment system for some time."

    Now, we all know Rodgers would have taken a look at him, he would have seen a young, 20 year old midfielder who has established himself in the Norwegian Top Tier, with over 100 games before the age of 20 years old. He's a clear talent. He's not going to say No. Why would he? Especially if the Joe Dudgeon and Mark Lawwall are coming to him with the player and singing the praises, which they would.
     
  20. Liam Scales

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    Murphy is.