Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

See when watching a lot of the team out there to me it becomes evident that Ange’s system helped hide a lot of the deficiencies some of these players have. For one it took away any real freedom of decision making and it’s obvious now when left up to most of this current team to be inventive turning back and passing it 5 yards is their limit.

Look at that starting line up today, Hart (current state), Phillips, Scales, Taylor, Mikey Johnston and Oh, who weren’t the only poor performers but that’s 6 of our starting 11. I actually think you could go to the other teams in the league outside us and them and pick better players from them, than that lot.

I would genuinely take Mitov (St Johnstone), Findlay (Killie), struggling for another Centre back possibly the boy Taylor (St Mirren), Spencer (Motherwell), Armstrong (Killie) or Youan (Hibs) and Miovski (Aberdeen) and put them in our team instead of that 6 and we would be as least as good as what those players are contributing. That is a shocking example of neglect given the level of resources we have at our disposal.

I am not saying I think we should be signing these players far from it, I am saying however that given we have a scouting network that covers so many markets how come we can’t find better players than guys being picked up on frees or for £200k in most cases certainly not much more than £500k?

 

My theory is that neither Lee Congerton nor Mark Lawwell have the required competence. Although, to verify that, I'd have to know who found CCV, Jota and Starfelt. Did Ange trawl through data himself, or...?

 

He was appointed on 19th of June, that's not even remotely late in the summer. The transfer window was a mere 5 days old, the players were still on holiday and we had a full preseason ahead without the distraction of qualifiers.

Jota didn't leave late either, it was July 3rd, almost a full 2 months of window left.

I honestly believe no one gives a flying * about how, why, where or when he left last time around anymore and are just more concerned with continuing flat, stagnant performances, faltering results and the prospect of another * window.

 

Aye, there are some big issues to sort..

But, the fact is we've lost one game in the league and are 5pts clear, it's not a valid argument to sack him at this point..

He deserves a window, where he's actually backed and we take it from there..

Calls to sack him are 100% premature and comparisons with Mowbray and Lennon aren't valid.

 

19th June is incredibly late in terms of
All pre season plans already put in place.

its incredible we are top with the players who have gone and the injuries
im really confident we will strengthen in Jan
and really kick on after the winter break

a few good quality signings. Hatate, Maeda, Abada returning we will kick on

Brendan Rodgers is a quality manager

 

Results and performances in both those seasons where on the wane from autumn so comparisons are absolutely valid.

As for backing him in this window, what kind of backing do you think he's going to get that he didn't in the summer? And what do you think hes going to do with it? At a danger of repeating myself, his track record at recruitment is dreadful. Do we honestly think that's going to miraculously change this window?

So, genuinely, when do you think it would be appropriate to start discussing termination of contract?

 

19th of June is not late in the summer at all. Its 2 weeks after the Scottish Cup final and about 2 weeks before any players come back from holidays. Its ample time for a quality manager to redraw any plans and identify targets.

 

That's nonsense. Just about as early as it could have been. And Rodgers would have been in the loop before then too.

We've seldom (if ever) been in a better position for a new manager to come in, in terms of timing, squad, CL qualification and available budget. Not to mention a backroom staff already in place.

Hope you are right on the rest of your post.

 

We were playing catchup in both of the campaigns under Lennon and Mowbray and did indeed fail to sack both of them before they were eventually dismissed..

However, we are top of the league just now, 5pts clear, which is a difference that makes the call to sack him just now invalid..

As for the transfer window coming, he will be reliant on the scouting team but with the focus on quality. Let's hope its vastly different in that sense.. we have done good business in January before with the likes of Hatate and O'Riley..

So, it's certainly not appropriate to be discussing terminating his contract when we're 5pts clear at the top with the Huns to come to us twice in the league..

 

Agree, pretty laughable to talk about sacking a manager who's top of the league. Not his biggest fan by any means but definitely far too early.

Think expectations were raised too early. Just quite a lot of worrying signs and not sure Rodgers is at all fully engaged.

Problem with backing him is if he doesn't start to show he's a good manager that has it's own issues. Over simplifying it, but if he strengthens in the blindingly obvious positions, thins the squad to a reasonable size and actually has a clear game plan there is no reason we don't win the league from this position.

Flip of that is we look beatable by any team in our league at the minute, he's got to sort that out fast.

 

I agree with you but not being fully engaged when you’re being paid £5 million a year is unacceptable.
I’ve posted this before but I’ve got no idea why he came back here. The way it’s gone just doesn’t make any sense.

 

Rodgers inability to make any tactical changes within the first 15 mins of that second half is near unforgivable. Killie had momentum and you could feel a goal coming at some point.

Rodgers stood there and done * all to remedy that.

I've said it a few times in this thread and I'll say it again. The man's a moron, who doesn't have a clue what do you with the players available to him.

We're in for a long season with this yin.

 

Totally agree it needed changed after 10 mins into the second half and waited to nearly 20 minutes to go and just brought on Yang * unbelievable it needed 3 changes at least .

 

Well fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion/stance and you make a fair point about being top. But it's not always as black and white as that.

What I would say, in all fairness is, I wouldnt just sack him, but I think we should be sounding out possible replacements right now. If a competent one could be found, then.

 

Sounds like we agree, I really didn't want Rodgers but also think it's too early to go. We'd likely end up with Lennon again!

Personally I think Rodgers thought it would be as easy as the last time and too arrogant to admit he needs to try harder. I think he probably can do better, but not certain at all.

 

Agreed, to come back and be done in Europe, knocked out the cup and now in a title race with a humming Hun team that sacked their manager; what was the plan?

 

Aye, I do think he thought it would be stroll, talking about seeing more of the country etc in his down time.. we need him to be living it every day.. so I do get what you mean with him not fully engaged..

 

It was stupid but I actually fell for the talk about him being given a bit of money to spend to try and make an impact in the CL. Should have known better but it made sense at the time.
He left before because he wasn’t backed properly so why come back for the shambles that we saw in the summer transfer window.

 

Because they aren't really his signings.

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My main concern when we appointed Rodgers was the recruitment. In his first spell he made a few great signings but signed more duds but I don't think any of the players signed in the summer are 'Rodgers signings'